Integramod2 now KisMod!

[Solomon]

So it sounds like you two agree with me that we should lose the integrmod.com domain name for now to lessen any confusion...

It seems everyone is focused on 1.4.1, they have just been confused by the original statement which is still the subject of this thread "IntegraMOD2 now KisMod!".

[Helter]

we are not going back to integramod2.com, unless you would like to field the dozens of PM's and emails I recieved asking for help with Wekke's Integramod version. That was what made the move necesary. Rather than finding a short term domain to support 141 ONLY, we elected to find a new home for ALL our releases, including the one that will redefine us "KisPortal" Im sorry this seems so confusing because to me it it makes perfect sence. The only thing in question was whether Mike wanted to rename KisPortal so we could have a cooler domain name.

[Solomon]

we are not going back to integramod2.com, unless you would like to field the dozens of PM's and emails I recieved asking for help with Wekke's Integramod version. That was what made the move necesary. Rather than finding a short term domain to support 141 ONLY, we elected to find a new home for ALL our releases, including the one that will redefine us "KisPortal" Im sorry this seems so confusing because to me it it makes perfect sence. The only thing in question was whether Mike wanted to rename KisPortal so we could have a cooler domain name.

I mean think about it,

The software we are using is IntegraMod 1.4.0
The subject line of this thread states "Integramod2 now KisMod!" when it should probably say IntegraMod2.com is now integrmod.com.
The site logo states "IntegraMod2" which is Wekke's latest IntegraMod release.
The site slogan states "IntegraMOD and IM Portal are the two main projects of this site"
The site address doest not reflect anything to do with any current, past, or future IntegraMod releases.

What makes perfect sense to you (a developer) may not and judging by people's posts does not make sense to them. People think 1.4.1 is KisMod and it is not. People dont generally back read forum pages very often.

Knit-picking something you said "Rather than finding a short term domain to support 141 ONLY, we elected to find a new home for ALL our releases". Why do you say short term? Sounds like your insinuating the actual KisMod (phpBB3 based KisPortal) is going to be released SHORTLY after IntegraMOD 1.4.1 (phpBB2 based IntegraMOD).

Dont take my comments as a personal attack and as if I dont care. If I did not care about the fate of the IntegraMod software I would have moved on to a more stable CMS software weeks if not months ago.

[RooMeat]

From a newbies view (me).. I would have to ask just how much progress is expected to be made with the scripting here??
I mean... I see article on the front page dating almost 2 months (and it's still the latest article).. that has comments like.. "We will be changing the logo's and footers shortly"

Yet.. I look around and see no sign of new logo's, footers or anything.
To we all live in a false belief that KisMod is better than integramod?? or should we be looking to the "other" site for progression forward??

I have 3 very large sites that run on postnuke at the moment, but have been looking for a alternative to get away from the whole nuke thing. and integramod / kismod "looks" the best.. but lacking any sight of advancment.

Not picking.. thats just "what I see" as a newbie <img>

[Rixn]

How do you spell integrmod?
Is it:

- integrmod
- e-Tegra
- E-tegra or
- E-Tegra?

[Dioncecht]

I think it's spelled 'is it done yet?'

j/k- I think I saw it as integrmod

[Michaelo]

Dioncecht, how come the smilies in your post are drinking Larger and not Guinness <img>
Slan... Mike

[Imajica]

yea like this one <img>

[flash=,:1fqrgj0c]http://home.comcast.net/~jeling/smilies/GuinnessCheers.gif[/flash:1fqrgj0c]

[evolver]

[quote=""Michaelo";p="19069""]Dioncecht, how come the smilies in your post are drinking Larger and not Guinness
[flash=,:35idwuhc]http://beerkingdom.blogdreams.com/userfiles/71674.jpg[/flash:35idwuhc]

[Dioncecht]

Dioncecht, how come the smilies in your post are drinking Larger and not Guinness <img>
Slan... Mike

Well, They SHOULD be driking Guinness, but I can't seem to find a nice dark one.

mmmm.. Guinness... a meal in itself!

[Michaelo]

<img>

[Dioncecht]

Thanx Imajica...

Thanx for pointing out the error in my ways Mike.. <img>

[Mudwalker]

Guiness...It's not just for breakfast anymore!

[tekguru]

... can we have a status report please guys as to where the upgrade is up to?

[AM]

I went to the Inetgramod2.com site and it pointed me to integrmod.com. I had downloaded IM 2, but had only installed one site, and left the forums for a while because I got busy.

I just installed another version of IM 2 yesterday, but the news feature doesn't work, so I came to this new site to get help; HOWEVER, no IM 2 support forum. I figured you guys just haven't transferred all the forums over yet, so I was going to post a general topic to get help. That's when I found this thread.

All I can say is I will not set up any more IM projects for my customers if you use the KisMOD name. Sorry. With today's generation and all the sexual commercials on TV, in ads, and other places, I have had it as far as marketing products because of this. KisMOD is a horrible name, even though you don't mean it to be "kiss", that's what it sounds like. I will not tell my customers the name of your product.

I don't have time to read 8 pages worth of posts on this name, so if you have chosen another name, I'll gladly be flamed for this post.

So, does this mean there is no more help for IM 2 installations? Do I now have to go download 141? Will you still be upgrading IntegraMOD for those of us who refuse to use a product called KisMOD?

[ayasha]

if you are truly at a fresh installation of Integramod, then i would suggest this post

http://www.integramod.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2661

(does anyone ever read the portal page and the news that is posted there?)

and to address the name of KissMod, it stand for Keep It Simple and Smart.

it is the portal that Michaelo is developing for phpbb3/Olympus which has not been released to the public yet as a final release.

i just don't get why so many people have gotten up in arms about this name.

phpbb3/Olympus is so totally different from phpbb2.

and from what i have read on the phpbb2 support forum about this new version of phpbb, there is already about 3 portal systems being developed for it.

i might get flamed for saying this, but with all the options that there appears there is going to be for a portal system for phpbb3, i think you can find one that would make you happy.

i for one, thinks that Michaelo has done a fabulous job in developing this portal, and i am not so petty as to speak out so loudly about someones portal system.

some of you guys reactions has reminded me so much of my teenage sons, and like i tell them, if you do not like it, you do not have to use it.

the support for Integramod will always be here, or at least until phpbb2 has been totally phased out, like with any software or program.

[ZacFields]

First off, if you are using IM 2.0, you are most certainly in the wrong forum.

Right now you are on integrmod.com. IM 2.0 is on IntegraMod.com. The software we currently have available here is IntegraMod 1.4.1 .

There was an altercation between the owner of IntegraMod.com and most of his developers, so his developers created IntegraMod2.com so that they could continue the project on their own. Knowing a name change was needed to avoid confusion (much like your confusion of looking for 2.0 support on this forum) KisMod was one fo the names that was thought up for the software.

However, as you can see by the domain name "E-Tegra.com" the name of the software doesn't appear to be changing to KisMod. (Though I don't know that for sure)

As for you needing a certain name to tell your customers about before setting them up with a software... well I have my own reservations about that. Personally I'd never hire someone to build a website for me who would ignore the features and abilities of a web .script because he didn't like the name of it.

Zac

[Frost]

I second that

Why don't you show them the software? Show them this site and even this particular thread

[AM]

(does anyone ever read the portal page and the news that is posted there?)

Yes...as a matter of fact I read. And I also did a search in Google and in this site for the error I ran across and didn't find one. I'll ignore the insult that I didn't read first.

and to address the name of KissMod, it stand for Keep It Simple and Smart.

It doesn't matter what your acronym stands for. When it is KisMOD, people only hear the word and see it, and it sounds childish for a professional software and the name does not suit the software; hence, the post a previous member stated as to whether or not the name will bring in visitors from porn sites.

So you see... I am NOT the only concerned about the marketing. I read the first 2 pages of this thread before even posting here.

i just don't get why so many people have gotten up in arms about this name.

See my comment above.

i might get flamed for saying this, but with all the options that there appears there is going to be for a portal system for phpbb3, i think you can find one that would make you happy.

If the development team doesn't care about what the users of their software have to say, then I'm sure your suggestion is a good one.

i for one, thinks that Michaelo has done a fabulous job in developing this portal, and i am not so petty as to speak out so loudly about someones portal system.

That's why there is Coke and Pepsi. Not everyone wants one or the other. For those who don't care about the name, it's a good thing for them to use KisMOD. I'm not doubting the software itself is bad. I'm sure it's great, but if this many people have a problem with the name, and the dev team can't find a different name, then see my comment above. <img>

Perhaps someone else will make a suitable replacement for KisMOD with a more marketable name.

some of you guys reactions has reminded me so much of my teenage sons, and like i tell them, if you do not like it, you do not have to use it.

It isn't a matter of if we don't like it, don't use it. You are forgetting how long some of us have been using certain software, and to change something without finding out first how the customers will respond is bad business.

Ask the makers of Coke Classic what kind of response they got after they changed the recipe. They have never been able to get the recipe the same again, which is how Classic came about.

Do a story on the Schwinn Bicycle company. I think someone in China now owns this once family-owned company.

I agree with the other posters. There should have been a poll first before the changes.

[AM]

First off, if you are using IM 2.0, you are most certainly in the wrong forum.

If I'm in the wrong forum for IntegraMOD 2, then why is this thread named "IntegraMOD 2 now KisMOD?" I would say this entire thread is in the wrong forum then.

Not to mention.... integramod.com domain has a forbidden access to it. integramod2.com domain points to integrmod.com.

That's another problem with changing everything around. Your customers don't know what site is what, or where they should be going for support.

Right now you are on integrmod.com. IM 2.0 is on IntegraMod.com. The software we currently have available here is IntegraMod 1.4.1 .

See comment above.... very confusing as to what site is what and what products are what domain. And now I read there is yet another domain created. (or 2 of them)

I realize I'm on integrmod.com. I'll say it again. INTEGRAMOD2.COM POINTS TO THIS DOMAIN!

There was an altercation between the owner of IntegraMod.com and most of his developers, so his developers created IntegraMod2.com so that they could continue the project on their own. Knowing a name change was needed to avoid confusion (much like your confusion of looking for 2.0 support on this forum) KisMod was one fo the names that was thought up for the software.

Oh dear. Is this like a church split? So, who's the good guys and who broke up the church? Just kidding...don't answer. I don't want to know. I just want to find IntegraMOD 2. Wherever it split off to.

However, as you can see by the domain name "E-Tegra.com" the name of the software doesn't appear to be changing to KisMod. (Though I don't know that for sure)

OI!!! Stop the confusion already! lol. Read the topic of this thread. "IntegraMOD 2 now KisMOD" And it's on this domain.

As for you needing a certain name to tell your customers about before setting them up with a software... well I have my own reservations about that. Personally I'd never hire someone to build a website for me who would ignore the features and abilities of a web .script because he didn't like the name of it.

And I don't watch sitcoms because of the foul language. If I hired an ad agency to do my ad, then I found out they put it on as a sponsor to one of these sitcoms, I would have fired them for not telling me what the name of the show was they were going to advertise me on. So, perhaps you would overlook the name, instead of the features. I consider both. I don't care if 1 billion customers would see my ad. I would rather have 1000 customers see my ad on a family-oriented show than a billion on foul infested shows. I also wouldn't hire a Webmaster that didn't tell me the name of the product they were going to use first.

To each their own preference in marketing, naming products and who they hire as their Webmaster.

[AM]

I second that

Frost, I truly hope you are not a part of the dev team to insult one of your forum members like this. The reference to my psychological profile was extremely uncalled for.

One of the poster mocked about the reference to getting porn visitors. So you see, the name has concerns and not just by me.

If you have to insult people because they question the name of something, then you really don't care WHY they question.

I'm not going to show someone this software if I can't have buy in on it myself. That's like me trying to be a telemarketer calling people in the privacy of their homes, knowing it annoys them. I don't sell anything, or refer anything if I problem with it. I have a problem with the new name. Period.

And since when does a vendor attack the people who question a product, and ignore their concerns and say "it will set the release date back."

I'm all for a set back on a release date. Perhaps I stand alone in this, but if you saw the name of the project I'm working on that has IntegraMOD2 installed on it.. being out on a limb by myself is not a problem. This stand is a peice of cake compared to that stand.

[Helter]

last I checked, you had to pay for coke or pepsi, and neither are made by volunteers.
Some of what have to say has merit, most just sounds like complaining. If this would truely have a negative impact on you, I believe you would have read the entire thread.

If you had read the thread, you would see that the name had been dropped. Not because it was offensive. In order for Kissmod to be offensive to anyone, Their mind would already have to be in the gutter and imagining the worst. I dont think the ppl in that state of mind are offended by anything sexual. Kismod was only dropped because it did not sound serious enough for our members.

In the future, when digging up old posts and using them as a basis for complaint, please read it thouroughly to be sure you have a point. If you want to have a voice here that will be taken seriously, then join us and be an active member and give us real input. This post is more akin to driving down the road and yelling out your window as you drive by.

*edit
This site is integramod2.com the namechange was made neccesary by the host of integramod.com When he disapeared for some months and his site was in ruins, we moved to integramod2.com
When he returned he was angry because he was not #1 anymore. He responded with a quick release of his personal version of integramod and named it Integramod2 for the purpose of creating confussion. We changed names so we could concentrate on development instead of petty bickering

[AM]

HS, I didn't know why IntegraMOD became 2 until seeing your post just now. When I downloaded the software, it was because I thought it was the newest version, and had been keeping up with the version changes as best I could.

As for the name change..sorry for missing the post on page 6. I read all but 6 and 7..even read page 8 and still saw the name conflict there...which is why I posted

As for volunteering, I do a lot of volunteer work in developing products, but I still have to listen to those who are using the products. That's the way it is. If you put a product out to be used, volunteer or not, it just comes with the territory that there will be complaints as well as compliments.

I'm still confused about whose site is whose, and whose products is whose......still can't find IntegraMOD 2, even though the banner says this is it. Still only see 141....

Sorry, but I must be to confused of a member with all the changes and the owners having to branch off and all I wanted was to find IntegraMOD 2. Wasn't expecting so much attack because of my post.

Whoever the angry guy is because he's not #1 anymore, please let him know he succeeded in his quest to confuse people.

I'm uninstalling IntegraMOD 2... not worth all this confusion.

[ZacFields]

Agreed with Helter,

You keep making reference to this topic being confusing for you. If you didn't want to take the 5-10 minutes it would (or should) take to read through this topic, then why would you risk looking foolish by bringing up a topic that was actually closed a long time ago and already has about 3 pages of people just talking about random stuff? This topic would not be confusing to you if you had read through it before posting. And in the time you've spent trying to defend yourself you could have read through it 5 times.

I'm going to do my best to explain this to you to help end confusion:

"IntegraMod2 now KisMod" is actually referring to the domain name "IntegraMod2.com." After this topic started, for a short time the domain was KisMod.com. People didn't like the domain name, so (I assume) they scrapped it and looks as though they decided on E-Tegra, which I think would be an excellent name.

The original owner of IntegraMod.com (his name escapes me at the moment) would dissappear for long periods of time and be of little help in the development of the software, so some of the developers decided that the best way to take this project to a new level, and to give the customers what they desire and need was to branch off to IntegraMod2.com and continue developing the software on their own.

The original owner came back and realized this, and then decided he would continue the project on IntegraMod.com by himself. To make matters more difficult, he decided to name his new release "Integramod 2.0" knowing that on this site, they were developing "IntegraMod 1.4.1."

So at that point, the developers here decided they needed to make a name change to help with the confusion. KisMod was one of the ideas...there were actually a lot more ideas floating around also. People didn't really like the name KisMod, so they decided against changing the name to KisMod.

IntegraMod 1.4.1 was released a few days ago, and it is an excellent forum software. Still working out some very minor problems but it includes something called "CrackerTracker" which I think is single-handedly the most amazing modification ever created for PHPBB forums. In addition, if you've ever heard of anyone having problems with spambots registering, even through the part in registration where you have to enter the numbers/letters matching the image, IntegraMod 1.4.1 prevents most, if not all of that.

Before upgrading, I would get a new spambot approximately every 2 hours all day long. I had to get extra moderators to keep those topics off my boards because many of them contained links to websites with viruses in them. Since upgrading a few days ago, I have not had one spambot successfully register on the forums.

So I hope this helps to end your confusion. I apologize if you feel flamed by some of the responses, but often times that's the kind of response you can expect when you bring up an old old topic like this for the purpose of complaining about something that has been long since dealt with.

zac

[ZacFields]

I'm still confused about whose site is whose, and whose products is whose......still can't find IntegraMOD 2, even though the banner says this is it. Still only see 141....

Sorry, but I must be to confused of a member with all the changes and the owners having to branch off and all I wanted was to find IntegraMOD 2. Wasn't expecting so much attack because of my post. .

I apologize if it seemed like I was trying to be mean... wasn't trying to hurt any feelings, just trying to point you in the right direction and as a Business student in college, I always have to put in my 2 cents about business practices.

As for your choice on forum software, go with IM 1.4.1. A download link can be found on the index of integrmod.com. Download and install it and decide for yourself. Right now they're working out some small bugs with it...it was just released a few days ago, but it is truly a great software. Once the initial bugs get worked out of it, I have no doubts that this will be "THE" modded PHPBB software that people use.

Zac

[ayasha]

you know, i have taken the time to re-read most of this thread, and i am going to put a suggestion out here for the admins and mods.

seeing as how it is mostly the new members that find this thread now, and are totally confused by it, why not move this thread to the staff forum, so as to not confuse the new members anymore?

[AM]

Flaming doesn't bother me. Perhaps the thread should be locked if no one should "bring up old posts" Considering IntergraMOD2 pointed to here, and there were no forums that showed support for IntegraMOD 2 like the other domain had, this was the only one that showed any signs of what happened to I M 2.

So apparently, there are problems with domains, software names, dev people mad at each other... etc. etc.

Perhaps also, someone can change the banner on IntegraMOD2.com to say.... it has now moved to integrmod.com and to find support for I M 2 if you have downloaded it, "click here"... we currently have only 1.41.... so all you who are using I M 2.... our dev people had spats with each other and we apologize for all the domain confusions... you can also "click here" for vBulliten.... though it's not free, at least they only have one domain. If you still choose to go to integrmod.com, enter at your own risk, and have fun finding the downloads that use to be in our old site. *mwaaahahaahahhhaaa*

Just followed the domain, and it led me here. This may be an old topic, but it's the only one I can find that had a reference to version 2. I don't even care anymore where version 2 is, or what it's now called. Like I said, it's not worth it.

Lock this post if you don't want version 2 users to come here looking for what use to be on integramod2.com, only to find when they use your search section, this is the only mention (that I could find).

[AM]

I'm still confused about whose site is whose, and whose products is whose......still can't find IntegraMOD 2, even though the banner says this is it. Still only see 141....

Sorry, but I must be to confused of a member with all the changes and the owners having to branch off and all I wanted was to find IntegraMOD 2. Wasn't expecting so much attack because of my post. .

I apologize if it seemed like I was trying to be mean... wasn't trying to hurt any feelings, just trying to point you in the right direction and as a Business student in college, I always have to put in my 2 cents about business practices.

As for your choice on forum software, go with IM 1.4.1. A download link can be found on the index of integrmod.com. Download and install it and decide for yourself. Right now they're working out some small bugs with it...it was just released a few days ago, but it is truly a great software. Once the initial bugs get worked out of it, I have no doubts that this will be "THE" modded PHPBB software that people use.

Zac

THANK YOU! I appreciate that.

[AM]

you know, i have taken the time to re-read most of this thread, and i am going to put a suggestion out here for the admins and mods.

seeing as how it is mostly the new members that find this thread now, and are totally confused by it, why not move this thread to the staff forum, so as to not confuse the new members anymore?

Amen to that... but I'm already on the Vbulliten site. Volunteer dev teams are not always the best option, and like a poster said to me.. I wouldn't hire a Webmaster that....

I will add to your comment. I won't use a product that is too confusing in domains, names, support and spatting developers.

[ZacFields]

Again, you're looking at the exact same website that used to be integramod2.com. All they did was change the domain name so as to eventually move out of the integramod name. There was never support on this site for integramod 2.0.

I know it's confusing, and that was the focal point in why the owner of integramod.com decided to come out with an integramod 2.0. Since integramod 2.0 suggests that it is a step ahead of integramod 1.4.1 when in reality they are two completely different forum softwares right now.

LIke I said before, try 1.4.1 and see how you like it. I don't know whats up with integramod 2.0... maybe they got discouraged when 1.4.1 was released and turned out to be a great software and they scrapped their own project. Who knows.. I doubt that, but at the moment it looks like they're having technical difficulties.

[ayasha]

[AM]

Zac, what domain had a forum for IntegraMOD 2? I know there was a forum for it, as well as downloadable zip files. It was IntergraMOD2.com or IntergraMOD.

If there was no forum support, then how come I have the zip files? I also know there was a specified support forum for it too or maybe it was only a thread.

I sincerely am not trying to be a whining member of the forum. I simply want to find where I M 2 went. I know there was a place to download it and discuss it otherwise, how is it that I have the zip files for it? I got busy and left the forums, I come back.... no domain. No more I M 2. No more integramod.com either. Now it's integrmod.

Ok, will the REAL dev team please stand up! LOL

Maybe I have a software that was developed by the "angry dev guy" (the one that wanted to be #1) and you guys are the real development team?

Kudos to him if he was setting out to cause confusion because he acheived it. Now I have 3 sites that have a trash version that quit working.

Cleo, you're too sweet to not give 1.4.1 a try.

[AM]

Well, at least I haven't totally lost my mind over thinking I'm the only one with I M 2.0... lol. Someone nicked "found it" also has the download, but Google does not pick up much reference to it.

The reference in foundit's site points to IntegraMod.com, which now has forbidden access to it.

I have rC2 build, and apparently I better stop looking for it because it apparently doesn't exist anymore.

I hate it when groups split up. You need a DNA test to figure out who is who.

[tmotley]

IM2.0 software was only supported by Integramod.com but there seemed to be so many glitches at that site that I stopped visiting shortly after the 'split.'

History according to my memory:

I started at Integramod.com

the site got more and more glitchy and slow

most of the devs there started up integramod2.com to offer support for IM software since wekke (integramod.com site owner) went MIA.

wekke returns, demods devs at integramod.com, and announces integramod 2.0 as his product (possibly to confuse people since ex-devs on his site worked at integramod2.com?)

integramod.com has been glitchy or down ever since

integramod2.com, wanting to separate itself from that mess, rebranded as kismod.com then, after some 'issues' with that name, rebranded as integrmod.com

All along, this site has offered great technical assistance and now a great product with 1.41 release

[AM]

tmotley, now I have been informed of what happened to Integramod.com, I realize that I have a very bad version of the software, which may have been intended to create confusion to mess up the rest of the dev team's products.

I'm uninstalling it right now.

However, I'm still going to stand by my previous post about the name of the software. Apparently, it is still an issue or there wouldn't be this much posting about it. The download section still says "kiss portal". Posters still refer to it as KisMOD.

I'm only going to install it on my own domain for now, and will wait until the name issue is cleared up once and for all.

Yes, it is a big deal to me... let's just leave it at that ok? Some people it's features. Some people it's names. Some people could care less about either.

Sorry to bring up such a touchy subject, but just remember, not everyone knows about the split you guys. I thought I was downloading the latest, greatest new version of IM. I didn't know until today that there are actually 2 separate teams going on.

So, may I point the admins to cleo's earlier post and ask that you close this thread, move it, lock it or something, so people who return to the old domain after being to busy to work on IntergraMOD and have to leave the forums for a bit, decide they have time to work on it again and find this thread.... and be confused all over again?

I now have 1.4.1 and before I throw in the towel on this team, I'll just chalk it up as I have been "had" by a disgruntled developer. *blush*

I remember the original domain too, and that it was so slow it would time out on my browser.

Cleo defused me! LOL.

I'm very sorry for getting upset.

[shedt_v]

my daughter has yet to turn 3 years old, and one of her first words was kiss. it's not a sexual thing unless you make it out to be.

[AM]

I know it's not a sexual thing always. You guys have missed my point.

When you hear the name of "kiss portal", does that strike you as something you would want a police department to have as their Intranet forum?

It's not professional...period. Just this very thread is enough to realize there are numerous problems within a name of something.

It automatically brings up questions about it's possible meaning or professionalism, or possible definitions for each acronym letter.

I'm not saying that the sexual ideas will be the result of implementing this software solution for customers. I'm just looking at all the possible angles of what a name might provoke. It's like naming your kid. Do parents weigh out the consequences of what name they give their kids? I would. I would think out as many angle as possible and how the name might be interpreted. It's called "risk management"

I flow chart risks and resolutions for a living. So, perhaps I am one in the crowd that takes a name and looks for potential problems with it.

To each their own in choosing how they select software. Features or names or popularity. I have to consider all because it's my job.

I'm not going to defend my post any more.

[Frost]

I think perhaps you should use what you're good at, and make yourself a chart on what's going on. Maybe you will finally understand things a little better. <img>

I am in no way a developer of this software, I merely saw a ridiculous post complaining about a name that was purely acronymous and saw you trying to associate it with a complex about sexuality or your repetitive crush on marketing ability. However you have been burned before, or whatever you have had to go through to get where you are in your area of expertise is fine, but coming to a volunteer website that develops a cms software of such quality in their spare time to ridicule a name choice that didn't even stick, on a topic that was over a long time ago doesn't exactly denote intelligence. In order for you to have such superior marketing abilities as you claim, wouldn't that require you to be able to scout the situation out well before making a decision? Where was that ability when you needed it most... right here in this post?

I have never seen such a stubborn person using the same excuse of "I'm so confused" to defend a wrong choice in my life. Look down to the bottom of the page... how many members do you see? How many people have been even remotely as close to being as confused as you are right now? Don't know? Because that would require you to actually read all posts relative to this topic to find that out. It is not very hard to understand, and many people have given you the scenario and have told you what happened over and over again. By you refusing to read and understand tells me that you don't really care.

I don't think you are willing to give it a chance because you simply don't understand it. Part of being a web designer and webmaster requires you to keep up with all the new and upcoming technology and advancements. If you are not willing to do that, you will fail.

The way I see it, there are tons of members here who help each other out every single day. They come here everyday and they are active in what goes on, and by doing this they receive all the help they want, they receive tips and suggestions. They all understand what is going on and as you can see will defend it.

Despite your constant ranting about "marketing decisions" and bashing this software, I would still be willing to help you understand what is going on and help you find whatever you need for your clients. As you can see the name of the software is not kismod anymore and your personal problem with that name can be overlooked if you want to try the software out.

That's what makes this a great community. Everyone here helps each other and gets help in return. Let it go and try it and I'm sure you will see we are serious about it.

[AM]

Frost, I'll ignore your comments about being stubborn and using "I'm confused" as an excuse. Considering, the software has so many domains and so much confusion attached to it as to who is the development team, and who is the disgruntled person that sabatoged the project to confuse people.

Enough said about that.

As for your comments about the volunteer development team, I do not see them as volunteer. They get donations to put out a product that people want. I'm sorry if people don't donate. I'm not like that. The reason I want the software to work is because I own my own company and plan to donate on a regular basis if the software works. They will not be my "volunteer team" and I don't appreciate your comments to me. If you are a part of the "volunteer developers" then you will be benefiting financially from my company when I get the software going properly.

Right now there are issues with Cracker Tracker.

If you wish to make any more comments about my personality, my "problems" my stubbornness, the confusion, AND you are a part of the development team, I can assure you, you won't see a dime from my company because I will find another solution.

I had a version from the disgruntled member, and it was not a proper version. Cleo figured that out for me and explained to me what happened to the development team, and why a version existed such as the one my company was testing.

I have downloaded THIS development team's version and am working on the Cracker Tracker issues. Once the site is working, I will be contributing to the development team and will possibly have a contract available to them if they are interested.

Now that I have a proper version, I like the software.

So, shall we let this rest now?

[Helter]

I agree that we should let this rest. I think Frost may have been a little over zealous in his post because he is a member here with ties to this community which he felt was under attack. Established members seem to have more leway in making complaints than new members. Not fair I know, but it is a fact of life anywhere. I have been guilty of this myself because IM has become more than just a project to me. In the past I was just a user of the software and I was impressed with the teamwork and product and wanted to give back. I accomplished this by teaching myself to make/port templates. During this time I felt very protective of the staff and found myself responding to posts such as yours, in a fashion similar to what you experienced here. Now that I am part of the staff, I realize the importance of every member, and try to be a little less harsh, though I still sometimes bark at users who complain <img>
Im glad you stuck around and we are hopefully past this.

As far as donations are concerned. You will see a few members with the integra supporters rank. This is given to any member who makes any donation to the project. All donations are appreciated, but they are rare and the server is expensive. Im telling you this because the staff is truely a volunteer staff. If you feel you need better support than what you get from volunteers, you may do better to make an arrangement with one of our programmers, like Teelk or Mike. Im not sure how they feel about this, but unless your donations to the site exceed $170 usd a month, it is unlikely they will recieve any monitary benifit. If you make a donation here and want to be sure that one staff member recieves it, be sure to note it in your paypal form, and I will be sure they recieve it.