This Site is 1.4.1 Now???

[Drop-Forged]

Ive been watching the footer for the change since the template changed, and it looks like is did nowà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦


Am I correct in assuming that this Site is running on 1.4.1 now??? <img>

[Fubie]

This site is using an early version of 141 which primarily incorporated known 140 bug fixes and a few enhancements that are in 141.

But no, this forum is not the same as the release version or even the RC versions of 141.

[Helter]

sorry Fubie....lol In Fubies defence, I told him yesterday it had not been updated yet, however... due to several succesfull tests of the update script, I updated the site last night to the latest 141 version. The script still needs a few Michealo touches and it should be fully automated and ready for release sooner than I expected.

[Imajica]

just remember us little people chomping at the bit to test that script

like.. oh I dunno... ME

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[tekguru]

Wow! Awesome, can't wait!

[ayasha]

sorry Fubie....lol In Fubies defence, I told him yesterday it had not been updated yet, however... due to several succesfull tests of the update script, I updated the site last night to the latest 141 version. The script still needs a few Michealo touches and it should be fully automated and ready for release sooner than I expected.

now that sounds great <img>

[Unregistered]

but i stil do see an error in this board.. <img>

[Drop-Forged]

[quote=""Unregistered";p="15923""]but i stil do see an error in this board..

The search function seems does to work allot better on this site now thoughà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦

[Helter]

the error was my fault. I omitted an Alter Table querry while updating the db. Should be fixed now

[ZacFields]

Everything looks good helter. So... hook me up with that upgrade path...y'know, under the table. I won't tell anyone <img>

haha I'm so excited. Giddy even. I check the site like 10 times a day this last week. Ready to move that site over to the VPS because I am SO sick of my site going down 3-4 times a day.

Word to the wise: Don't use Ipower. I talked to a tech that told me they have 500-700 accounts on each server! And they have gotten progressively slower and less reliable every month for the last 3 years i've hosted with them.

Zac

[Okki]

What a great test site <img>

[Dr. Bantham]

Knowledge Base is not accessible:

Could Not Query Custom field

[Unregistered]

yup.. thats true.. the error is there.. why do i have a feeling that the upgrade path is not that stable?

[Unregistered]

What a great test site <img>

which site? kismod?

[IntegraMOD]

I think Okki is asking why are we using this site which is supposed to be a non test site for running rc versions of IM141 and not using a test site somewhere else, but I could be wrong.

[Fubie]

This forum is not running on any beta or RC versions.

[Okki]

Well Fubie, you should read this http://integramod.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15896#15896

[Fubie]

Yes Okki, This forum has been updated to the latest 141 version. Which is not beta or RC, it is Final.

[Okki]

I think Okki is asking why are we using this site which is supposed to be a non test site for running rc versions of IM141 and not using a test site somewhere else, but I could be wrong.

Yes, you are right, wekke did the same thing, nothing learned from that <img>

[Fubie]

Yes, you are right, wekke did the same thing, nothing learned from that <img>

Yes we have, that is why this is NOT beta or RC.

[Okki]

Yeh, right

Must be missing something, or not

no, no announcement

[Unregistered]

hmm dont u guys think its a lil bit pvt chats? let the family solve their problem at home. but not the outside <img>

[Michaelo]

One think we have over other dev sites is a great beta test team... this is why we are at RC1 and not another beat...

Okki there is no comparison to what happened at the old site, none whatsoever so don't attempt to go down that road.

Mike

[Michaelo]

At the old IntegraMod siteà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ Wekke has produce a fine looking portal but it is not IntegraMod at least not as we know it. The new portal is built around phpBB 2.1.x, CH and IM Portalà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ It contains very few (if any) of the mods previously incorporated into IntegraMod and one or two template...

I have no doubt Wekke will over time produce a nice product and I wish him luck with it.

Just a couple of points re phpBB3 and Categories Hierarchy....

Incorporating CH into phpBB3 is entirely unnecessary, and might be considered a step backwards... Most of the more useful facilities embedded into Categories Hierarchies already exist in the phpBB3 core...

Our next release (what ever we call it) is built using phpBB3 core and the Kiss Portal. If you want to see how far we have advanced with this project see my sig for a link to my current test site. We will advise of the new dev site soon and all are welcome to post comments and add wish-lists etcà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦

[tekguru]

Michaelo, ref the new core and Kiss is there expected to be an upgrade from this platform?

[Helter]

Michaelo, ref the new core and Kiss is there expected to be an upgrade from this platform?

yes there will be an upgrade. Since this new version will be a radical departure from our present package, it is not known yet what will be involved, but we learned our lesson with the 140 release, and will always try to release an upgrade at the same time as we release a new version. This is the only reason that 141 is not officially released at this time.

[Michaelo]

Just a little info re phpBB3/KisMod and upgrading...

If you were running a default phpBB 2.1.x with no mods (including CH) installed you can expect your site to be 100% upgradeableà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ Now in the real world this would accounts for 10% or less of site out thereà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ Many site administrators will be capable of importing other data but this will vary. The facts are the more mods installed the less likely all data will be retainedà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ As Helter said, this is a radical departureà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ not just from phpBB 2.1.x but also IntegraMod 1 or 2à¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ phpBB3 has so many pluses that staying with the phpBB2 is not an option at least not in the long termà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦

It is expected that 90% of site running phpBB2 and some type of portal/cms will start a new site based on phpBB3 and import only the basic data such as users and post.

With time other mods will be updated thereby allowing additional data importsà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ Our aim is to add all your favourite mods even if we have to re-write them and provide a script to import the original data wherever possible. It would not be humanly possible to produce an update script at least not until all mod are updated and even then I dont expect all current mods to be included in RC1.

At the end of the KisMod development stage we will provide an update script to allow importing of every piece of data possible ...

[tekguru]

That is good news indeed, if we can get the users and the posts over the rest I guess we can work through!

As a matter of interest what do you see as the great benefits from PhpBBS 3.x?

[Michaelo]

Without listing all the improvements and just generalising.. Speed, improved cache system, incorporation of user variables (kinda PCP), single template for ACP (greatly reduced work for template designers), the <INCLUDE> directive (major flexibility), advanced user control panel, more powerful and flexible permission system, unlimited sub-forums, inclusion of what were common mod as part of the core

To be honest I can't remember all of them as I keep finding more every day... check this link [url=http]Here![/url]
Mike

[tekguru]

Right, looks like it will be completely awesome, but I assume as it wil take a while to come to fruition that we'll lose the massive amount of Mods that we have come to love...

[Michaelo]

The basic system (phpBB3 + Kiss Portal) = KisMOd will be ready within hours of the release of phpBB3 RC1 but the mods...?

I was hoping to turn all mods into modules which could be added and removed via ACP but alas that is a bit down the road as each module would need to be recode... then again we don't know which mod will be upgraded by their respective designers... it may be possible <img>

Mike

[tekguru]

Understood it wil be fun certainly! I must say I'm impressed with the work you have done so far.

[Drop-Forged]

Does anyone have an estimated projection of when the 141 update will be released??? <img>

[Fubie]

The projection is very soon. Other than that... As soon as it's here.

Sorry can't get any closer than that right now.

[Imajica]

Fubie:

I have cookies <img>

chocolate chip

[sanji]

I noticed that one topic is giving strange results on this board:

http://www.integramod.com/forum/viewtop ... highlight=

Just before the usual line

KisMod Forum Index ÂÂÂ » IntegraMOD project ÂÂÂ » IntegraMOD Support Forum ÂÂÂ » IntegraMOD 140 ÂÂÂ » Google adsense in the end of my news

There is a huge text displayed

Code: Select all

    nnnThe result is]"; message[16132] = "[quote=""Dragonsys";p="16132""]n[quote=""febern";p="16131""]Well guys html is allowed, i just checked.nnif i put this code: nn[code]n[/code]nThe result is:nnnn :-?[/quote]nnSorry, i forgot that Ad-Sense uses Javascript. Javascript is not allowed in posts. Look at the top of this page and you can see what it does to phpbb. You really should edit that post and put the script into the code bbcode.n There is a way around it however. You can use a .php file which displays the ads, and then use .htaccess on your sever to redirect an img file to the php script.nn[color=red]This does open a path for hackers however.[/color]nnYou might want to search phpbb.com and see if there is a MOD which allows Javascriptn[/quote]"; message[16133] = "[quote=""febern";p="16133""]n[quote=""Dragonsys";p="16132""][quote=""febern";p="16131""]Well guys html is allowed, i just checked.nnif i put this code]nnSorry, i forgot that Ad-Sense uses Javascript. Javascript is not allowed in posts. Look at the top of this page and you can see what it does to phpbb. You really should edit that post and put the script into the code bbcode.n There is a way around it however. You can use a .php file which displays the ads, and then use .htaccess on your sever to redirect an img file to the php script.nn[color=red]This does open a path for hackers however.[/color]nnYou might want to search phpbb.com and see if there is a MOD which allows Javascript[/quote]nnHm i would try it. just because im interesting how does it works in action. Can u tell me what should i do exactly, please?n[/quote]"; message[16137] = "[quote=""Dragonsys";p="16137""]nHere is the code, you would just have to edit it to fit your needs]"; function addquote(post_id) { window.parent.document.post.input.value += message[post_id]; window.parent.document.post.input.focus(); return; } //-->

A small bug?

sanji

[Michaelo]

We need to add some checks for java-script to posting... Thanks sanji <img>

[mspringgay]

The knowlege Base is also acting up on this site now. Getting the following when I go to the page.

Failed obtaining forum access control lists

[Michaelo]

It's in hand... several database updates required...

[computerz]

Just a little info re phpBB3/KisMod and upgrading...

If you were running a default phpBB 2.1.x with no mods (including CH) installed you can expect your site to be 100% upgradeableà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ Now in the real world this would accounts for 10% or less of site out thereà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ Many site administrators will be capable of importing other data but this will vary. The facts are the more mods installed the less likely all data will be retainedà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ As Helter said, this is a radical departureà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ not just from phpBB 2.1.x but also IntegraMod 1 or 2à¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ phpBB3 has so many pluses that staying with the phpBB2 is not an option at least not in the long termà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦

It is expected that 90% of site running phpBB2 and some type of portal/cms will start a new site based on phpBB3 and import only the basic data such as users and post.

With time other mods will be updated thereby allowing additional data importsà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ Our aim is to add all your favourite mods even if we have to re-write them and provide a script to import the original data wherever possible. It would not be humanly possible to produce an update script at least not until all mod are updated and even then I dont expect all current mods to be included in RC1.

At the end of the KisMod development stage we will provide an update script to allow importing of every piece of data possible ...

so basically in other words, we won't be able to use all of our mods on the upgrade until well after 2008, correct?

[Helter]

phpBB3/KisMod is not an upgrade. It has nothing to do with 141. It is a totally different format. It has been a pet project of Mikes since early beta stages of phpbb3. He has just come so far with it that it is a viable near future replacement for our currently aging IM Portal. What mods will become available for it are anyones guess. Several of our key mods are already built into it. The goal for this project will be different than our Integramod goal. For integramod, we stuffed so many mods into it that it was appealling to a vast and diverse group of users. The cost for this was performance and limited template availability. The goal for KisMod is to make all mods modular. Meaning you can quickly and easily add and remove mods from the acp to fully customize your site. This will allow you, the end user to choose your own level of content vs. speed.

[Unregistered]

sounds like joomla/mambo system..

[Helter]

not even close

[Unregistered]

maybe in 5yrs time it wil be close <img>

[Michaelo]

Unregistered, your comparing Apples and Oranges (or Apples and Microsoft <img>)

Neither of these use phpBB but apart from that they are both real nice...

As to functionality I have not played with them in a very long time but I don't think either support plug in mod not to mention flexability... Joomla is perhaps the preferred one for me I like Simple Machines (SMF)...

[computerz]

How can a mod be an issue for speed, when the only thing involving speed is the number of queries that mod introduces and whether or not your pageload calls those queries.

For example, my site has just about everymod you can think of, but when I load a page, I'm not calling any of those mod scripts, unless I have it on the page. The only way I get to the mod is unless I click the link for it. So my mods dont affect performance.

Performance is only an issue when you have tons of blocks on your page each of which are doing queries for a particular mod. Or if you have mod(s) integrated into the page you're loading.

Aside from that, performance is not an issue. Nor have I seen any performance issues with IntegraMOD. My site which is heavily modded runs just as smooth as a new install. Thats because the mods have a seperate link to get to them.

So I don't understand your point here @helter

Nor do I see the reason for dumping IM Portal (I'll make a thread on this).

[Helter]

compare the overall_header.tpl of a stock subSilver to an Integramod version of fisubice. You dont think all the switches and .js impact performance? or the fact that we have dozens of mods that alter phpbb_config and phpbb_users ? these two tables alone are called on every page load.
If you have a decent computer and connection, compare the page loads between an IM site and a phpbb site. Im not knocking IM, Im just stating a well know and documented fact. There are many mods most of us do not use, many have sql queries on every page load. With Kiss, and the plugin system, these extra unnecesary querries will be removed. IM Portal would have to be completely re-written, right down to the templating system as phpbb3 does not use the .tpl template system.
In time Wekke may be able to develope a portal for phpbb3 similar to IM portal, but i doubt it will have the same features and function of the current system. He is good, but he is no MasterDavid.
He has even said he has a working copy of IM Portal on a phpbb3 site, but will not show it, so I have doubts as to its existence.

[computerz]

Ahh.. ok.. I see what you're saying. That makes sense. But even still I think the performance hit is only marginal.. as most mysql queries take less than a fraction of a second. But I do see your point.

And man, it would be really nice if M-David and Wekke could rejoin the team.

[Helter]

Both are welcome.
master david is busy supporting his family and not likely to return.
Wekke has been invited. I have even imported his account.

[jwernerny]

Now that the site is KisMod, I had to re-login. I was surprised to see it do a visual confirmation on the login screen. Is this part of the new package now?

[Helter]

yah, i think it is part of CBACK Cracker Tracker

[wdwm]

I know your saying that the RC is not for use as a main site yet, but I am desperate for a php5 combatible portal the serves the purpose as good as IM does. *IF* I was to use v1.4.1rc will there be an upgrade to the full release when it comes out?

[Ebony]

just wanted to say Nice work guys Hugs.

[Fubie]

I know your saying that the RC is not for use as a main site yet, but I am desperate for a php5 combatible portal the serves the purpose as good as IM does. *IF* I was to use v1.4.1rc will there be an upgrade to the full release when it comes out?

This has been stated many times. NO.

[Aquilo]

Ive been watching the footer for the change since the template changed, and it looks like is did nowà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦


Am I correct in assuming that this Site is running on 1.4.1 now??? <img>

Something like 8 weeks later and WE are still waiting.... but hey, at least THIS site got some of the extra fixes and enhancements..... oh, and a new name (kissy-face mod) - wouldn't want to forget that

I realize that you guys can only do so much - but please don't forget the rest of us are still running 1.4.0 & you can bet that (whether or not we are actually saying anything) we are checking for the final release EVERY SINGLE DAY

[Teelk]

We don't forget the rest of you, and that's why I just stayed up almost 48 hours coding. This site only exists to continue on this package, if we weren't working to release it then there'd be no reason for this site to exist...

The last 48 hours or so have consisted of writing and refining the update scripts. If we had released a week ago, I would have missed part of the update I just fixed and that wouldn't have been good for anyone.

When I see a post like Aquilo's I'm definitely discouraged about the project, and surprised at the self-centered attitude. We're already doing this for you, the community, if anything see it as a favor. You don't respond to a favor by demanding that favor be done on your time, by your rules. I no longer even have a site, as the reason I had a site no longer exists, so 100% of the work I do on this project and the time I put in is not done for me.

When I put so much time and effort into something and someone posts garbage like this, it really makes me have second thoughts.

But, then I think of the rest of the community, the time and effort others have put in and I realize users that post tripe aren't even worth a first thought.

So, I close by saying, you might want to reexamine your attitude towards this project and community.

[sanji]

Teelk,

Most of the community does know the amount of work required, and is indeed silently waiting for the new version. I am really looking forward to update my web site, and sure I find the time long. Not because I think you guys are not 100% on this project - I know you are - but just because I can see Beta 1-5 running, including on my test site, and just feel I might just use a beta version on my live site. Which probably would not be such a good idea...

Rest assured that we do appreciate all what was done so far... and what is being done by you know.

However, if I might suggest another strategy for future releases - I'm sure they will be more next years: I would suggest to select 20-50 beta testers taht would agree to seriously test your beta versions, and keep the development quiet for the rest of the community. I would be delighted to help for that. Then only when the package is fully fonctional, an annoncement would be made.

You know, sometimes it is better not to be too much imformed. And it probably would remove a lot of useless pressure from your shoulders!!

sanji,
who is just quietly waiting for the release: no hurry for me...

[Fubie]

Something like 8 weeks later and WE are still waiting.... but hey, at least THIS site got some of the extra fixes and enhancements..... oh, and a new name (kissy-face mod) - wouldn't want to forget that

I realize that you guys can only do so much - but please don't forget the rest of us are still running 1.4.0 & you can bet that (whether or not we are actually saying anything) we are checking for the final release EVERY SINGLE DAY

Well, you have posted twice here according to your profile. And yet you think you can come here and criticize this team for volunteering their precious time to this project and community when you have not even contributed here in any way. Wow. That's pretty gutsy.

[ZacFields]

Well, I've had my ups and downs as far as my patience for this goes. But then again, I had a very good reason for being frusterated. I was stuck in a really crappy server situation and couldn't find a way out.

The problem is, that the biggest upgrade on the new version (PHP5 compatibility) is available on most other forum software. But when you're running integramod, there is no conversion path to anything else. If I wanted to switch my site to invision power board, which is php5 compatible, I couldn't do it because there's a conversion path for PHPBB but I'm willing to bet it would not work with integramod.

Keep truckin' guys. People will wait and they will be satisfied when it comes out. I do agree with Sanji a little bit that the timeframe on the new versions is usually misinterpreted which can be very frusterating. With the way things were explained to me 6 months ago, I felt like we were about 2 months away from a final version of 1.4.1. I was being told that 141 was being worked on very hard and there were very few upgrades needing to be done except PHP5 compatibility, so you can see where one would assume that it was coming up in what could be considered the near future.

I know you guys work hard and we all appreciate it. I know for sure that I do because while taking help here on Integramod, I've done my best to give back what little I can being as I've been playing with PHPBB and integramod for about 3 years now. But at the same time I do understand that people are getting frusterated.....at least if their reasons were like mine that they just paid a bunch of money for a server they found out they can't use or something along those lines.

We still think you guys are cool <img>

Zac

[Frost]

Every time I see a post like Aquilo's I imagine what must be going through the main developers heads as well as those of us that try our best to be a contributor in what ways we can.

I realise that people must get impatient but try and realise that you are complaining about the speed of a progress in which you have no idea what's involved. I am willing to bet that the ones that complain the most have barely begun to do simple editing much less build and maintain an entire cms. This is not an attack but rather a size implication to make you realise what they are doing in their spare time, for free, and for what? A couple of people telling them how poorly they are doing it? Someone telling them that they aren't doing it fast enough? Someone accusing them of building something for them and simply holding it back from everyone else? This is rediculous and I hope you realise that on most any other forum you would have been immediately banned from the site considering how you have not contributed and you attack the developers so quickly. This is an obvious sign of no respect and limited intelligence.

Just remember the following before you make any more posts like the previous one.

Spare Time: The hours that are spent away from work or other commitments, that can be spent doing what one wants to do.

This time is usually limited because some of us have full time jobs. This is 8 hours. Sleep 8 hours. Hygiene 1 hour. Driving/Eating/Various 2 hours. This leaves us with approximately 5 hours left to get everything else done. The rest of the time is spent trying to get this done for you I'm sure.

Free] Without payment, free of charge.

[b]Never once have they asked you for money or to pay them for their hard work. They offer an alternative to this for those of us that actually do appreciate what they do by accepting donations. This is far more than I can say for other cms's out there that make you pay to use their software that was originaly opensource anyway.

For What?] Question of reason behind actions, desired goal.

[b]Everyone has a different reason why they do it but if you think about it, they must love to do it in general. They like seeing the reactions when someone is impressed with what they have done. They love when someone comes here and asks for help and they actually get what they need. Maybe it's just to offer a free alternative to the competing cms software that costs money. Maybe they themselves started off just like us and asked for help and got nothing in return, or asked for mods or hacks and got nothing. So they learned themselves and now wish to offer a place where people who are starting out, just like they did, to come and actually be able to join a community of friendly people who want nothing more than to help others.

These are all very rare attributes and I couldn't personally ask for more from them. This may not be the only place like it's kind, but I am both impressed and respectful of what they do and what the community as a whole accomplishes by coming together and working together to achieve the best pre-modded phpbb forum possible. And in my opinion if you cannot bring yourself to see the opportunities and the great community of people here... then maybe you should look elsewhere as you are not what I listed above.

To the developers: You are all doing a wonderfull job and don't let people/posts such as the previous ones get you down or deter you from it. Always remember that even though there are 5 people like him, there is another 100 of us who will back you all the way to the end. And I think I speak for everyone when I say Thank You.

To the community: When I came here I knew very little about modding phpbb or making themes, or blocks. But because of the help I've recieved from all of you over the months (on this name and my previous one that I lost) I can safely mod my own, I can make themes, I can make blocks, I can edit, hack, and tweak. And now I can in turn help other's who are like I once was and I wouldn't want it any other way. Keep up the great support and friendly help and let's keep this a wonderfull community!

[JohnnyTheOne]

well spoken Frost,

I think I speak for everyone when I say Thank You. that is correct

[ZacFields]

I'd hate to rebut Frost's comment, but I'm going to anyways because I think it was a little much. Basically has been what everyone else has been saying but with a lot more detail.

I think everyone on this site who owns an IntegraMod forum should know what it means to work for free. I think we all know what a full time job is...and on top of that I have full-time school as well. So really, I'm physically not in the house for at least 65 hours a week between going to school and going to work.

But anyone who has owned an integramod forum before should know the meaning of free work. Everytime my old server would mess something up, who had to fix their code? Me. Everytime people wanted to upgrade this and upgrade that, who had to do it? Me.

You see, even though the workload is obviously a lot smaller, there is a workload attached to just owning an integramod forum. A lot of these guys complaining are guys that are working for FREE for their own users. I have over 1,300 of them on my boards. That's a job too, and these guys can't do their job until the upgrade comes out.

I will never disrespect the amount of time that goes into coding. I know all about it... because i've attempted it many times and I know I personally can't do it. I am very appreciative of what these guys do, but at the same time if none of you can understand people that get frusterated then I just don't know what to tell ya. When you're running a "business" that is technically in competition with dozens of other major businesses, your "customers" are going to expect a lot of things out of you...that's business! It's not all about the money, because all the people that use IntegraMod are exactly how IntegraMod is as big and well-known as it is. Without all these people using your product, what's the point?

So I'm going to say it again like I did in my last post. Your "thanks" and "congratulations" and all the praise you guys will ever want will come when the 141 is released. I promise. And if you find people who aren't giving you praise when 141 is released that were pushing you and ridiculing you while you were working on it, then those are the people you should be talking bad about.... not these other guys. Just remember they've got responsibilities too that they are doing for free that depend on what is available to them from this website.

Now I sound like a bad guy...and I don't want to sound like that. I'm not supporting everything these guys are saying...i'm just asking for a little understanding from you guys. We all know it's been a long time, it's not surprising to me that people are starting to get angry about it.

Zac

[Aquilo]

We don't forget the rest of you, and that's why I just stayed up almost 48 hours coding. This site only exists to continue on this package, if we weren't working to release it then there'd be no reason for this site to exist...

The last 48 hours or so have consisted of writing and refining the update scripts. If we had released a week ago, I would have missed part of the update I just fixed and that wouldn't have been good for anyone.

When I see a post like Aquilo's I'm definitely discouraged about the project, and surprised at the self-centered attitude. We're already doing this for you, the community, if anything see it as a favor. You don't respond to a favor by demanding that favor be done on your time, by your rules. I no longer even have a site, as the reason I had a site no longer exists, so 100% of the work I do on this project and the time I put in is not done for me.

When I put so much time and effort into something and someone posts garbage like this, it really makes me have second thoughts.

But, then I think of the rest of the community, the time and effort others have put in and I realize users that post tripe aren't even worth a first thought.

So, I close by saying, you might want to reexamine your attitude towards this project and community.

First of all, I would like to apologize for the tone of the two posts I made yesterday - Kismod developers are not the only ones that have bad days.

But, Teelk, your over-reaction and insults were completely uncalled for (not much community spirit from you there, either)... the next time you think to yourself that "I"m gonna thrash this bozo", you might want to try to understand his point first (and yes, I do understand that I could have made it clearer in my first post, again my apology for that).

My complaint is restricted to the fixes & enhancements that were deployed on this site without being made readily available to the rest of us.

At the time they were deployed here, they should have been made available to the rest of the community as 1.4.1 or 1.4.0.x, an incremental update to 1.4.0.

And, also at that time, the rest of the fixes and enhancements plans should have been moved forward to the next future release (1.4.2 or KisMod 1.0) - we should not have been forced to wait what is now 8 weeks for those updates. So, in that respect, it sure does feel like we've been forgotton about.

As far as the new release you all have been working so hard on... I, in no shape or form, made demands or rules on the upcoming version. Yes, i can't wait for it to come out, but I understand those things take as long as they take.

Additionally, as the owner & one of the admins at a non-profit, for fun site, I understand all too well, that the work done here is out-of-pocket, out of the developers own free time - so save the lectures.

[Aquilo]

Well, you have posted twice here according to your profile. And yet you think you can come here and criticize this team for volunteering their precious time to this project and community when you have not even contributed here in any way. Wow. That's pretty gutsy.

This second post was completely uncalled for - just proof that you've probably spent too many hours coding without getting any sleep.

Besides, so what if my first post was a complaint - I was not aware of any rule that you need to run up your post count before you can voice a complaint.

And just because it is not reflected in my post count, profile, or your own personal knowldege of me, your assumption that I have made no contributions here is a bit flawed. The other admin on my site has been a regular, contributing member of this site for quite a while, and we've worked quite closely together on some of the contributions he has made here.

I registered as a member for the purpose of making posts about the things here I issue with (yes, I did get off to a bad start, thanks to the tone of my first posts).... maybe some of those complaints will lead to changes for the better (maybe not).... isn't that what being part of a community is all about?

[Michaelo]

Lets tone it down...
We must appreciate that site owners are often under more pressure from their members than we (the dev team) are from ours... so let not argue amongst ourselves...

In the past few months I have done quite a few 24 hour shifts as it was required to make progress. On more than one occasion I found myself defending the dev team where one or two of our members went over the top with criticism....

We all get angry... most of us would probably re-evaluate and rephrase comments given time to reflect... make allowances for the workload and we will make allowances for the pressure you guys are under...

Mike

[Helter]

for those who have been here since the IM132 days you should remember that the development of 140 took much longer than than 141. Near the end of 140 development, things got rushed to get a release out the door. This resulted in a buggy release that required mass overwriting of files to fix. It also left 132 users orphaned, with no clear way to update to 140. You should be thankfull that the current devs learned from these mistakes.
This release is NOT being rushed out the door with intentions of fixing bugs later.
This release is dependant on a functional upgrade path, so as NOT to leave current phpbb, IM132, and 140 users stranded with no easy way to upgrade.
This release is not related to the experimentation that Wekke did on the live Integramod.com site that he called 141. He did that himself, and released no notes before dissapearing. This version of 140 really was really only started about one month before we moved from Integramod.com to integramod2.com. It was just supposed to be a bugfix with a few mod updates and php5 compatibility. You (meaning most users who voiced an opinion) wanted more. More security, more features, more speed, better stability...etc
These requests were taken seriously and so, as Mike stated before, the goal post have moved farther away yet again.
The problem with releasing alot of smaller patches and bugfixes is that when a user post an issue with his forum, we really have no idea what were dealing with. We still get tech questions from users who have not updated thier 140 forum with the security mod updates.
As for this site, It was originally built off of Teelks 141 version. That version is the basis for the current 141 version, but it still had many 140 bugs. As the bugs were found and fixed, they were applied here, because in order for dev to continue successfully, this site must remain functional and dependable.
Just to let you know how close we are to release; This site, almost mirrors the latest beta release. The reason we still insist that the beta not be used in a live enviroment, is the fact that there are still a few know issues being worked on, that will be a tech support nightmare once the release is made final.

[Frost]

Well, even though as Michaelo stated above, that we do often regret some of the things we say, I don't. Mine was a post for everyone that comes here, for the developers, the beta team, the styles people, the admins, owners, the mods, the users, everyone.

Just to let you step back and remember everything going on.
It's good that some of you have stated that yes, you know how it is, you do it as well. Then you know for yourself, it's never good to get aggrivated as it only leads to saying or doing something you will regret.

Let's just remember these aren't robots, these are other people who can be affected by a simple post because of that 10 minutes we got aggrivated.

I want nothing more than to try to show everyone that this effort is that of a whole community and people are passionate about it, don't ruin it for them.

[ZacFields]

Helter: Your post put a lot of things in perspective. That is the first time that I have read on here that explains specifically what the holdup is.

I can definitely have some appreciation for a more stable release. I have been around since the 1.3.2 days. I believe the first version I had was 1.3.2c I believe... it was so long ago.

Actually...honestly I didn't switch to 1.4.0 until abotu 6 months ago and PHPBB security is the best thing since sliced bread because all the attacks my forum was getting for DDOS was a major reason my site was running so slow.

I think the only thing I really felt would have been the most helpful was a PHP5 patch to tide the many people over who were buying VPS and Dedicated Servers that came preinstalled with PHP5 and we had nothing to do because a lot of us just assumed since phpbb 2.0.17 and higher is PHP5 compatible that an integramod running that version of phpbb or higher would be also.

I agree with you guys though. Let's just let it go. I remember the release of 1.4.0 .... I also feel as though I remember it lacking an upgrade path.. am I right? And I remember a lot of angry people who thought it was really dumb that we had a new release of the software...but nobody could upgrade to it. And then when it came out, seemed like everyone had problems with it at first. That's why I waited so long to upgrade.... I was smart and knew there might be some bugs initially that would get fixed <img>

But if we have to wait a little longer to get a stable version with an upgrade path... heck i'm cool with that.


ONE QUESTION: Will the 1.4.0 themes work with 1.4.1? It's probably been asked but i'm too lazy to find it.

zac

[Michaelo]

They should just require a little work to make compatible...

One easy way to do this is:
Take the default 141 theme and set up CVS on it.
Then take another theme and copy all the CVS directories created in the last process into the new theme...

All the changes that need to be made will be highlighted with icons... When you right click on a file you can select 'CVS Diff'... The two files will be opened and you can see the edits that need to be made...

You will need to download the CVS for you OS but it's very useful...
Mike

[Helter]

there are many new .tpl files and a few edits that would be required to use i40 templates and even then, they may suffer limited functionality. Originaly I started updating some 140 templates, but I decided to just re-port them from the template integra2. That way there will not be so many template bugs out there.
Ive just started posting the few that are done [url=http]here[/url]

[ZacFields]

ohhhh I call the Dark Black theme! Looks very nice!!!

Zac

[Helter]

thx <img> Dark is based on fisubice, so all the dark colors are actually one template.

[Michaelo]

H, you should try my method but I need to add another step based on your findings.... You would have to copy all the template files in the 141 default to the old 140 template and not overwrite existing files... the use the SVN... Mind you, you are so familiar with integra templates by now you could probably code one in your sleep It would be great to have all the coding over so we could go back to building niec themes <img>
Mike

[Frost]

Whoa, I had no idea you already had a black theme made HelterSkelter.

I realise how similar they look now and I will not be releasing mine. Didn't mean to step on any toes <img>

Edit: It was based off integra2 anyways

[Helter]

users like choice, so im sure your black theme will be a welcome addition
do you have a demo site?

[Frost]

I have a beta site for 141, and that's what im messing with learning themes on its http://www.black-fusion.com

But I don't have the script like yours to allow people to change styles so I can't show different ones, they'd have to do it in their profile.

Basically I'm learning the way templates work, I used your integra2 theme (with your permission) to make the black one that's default on that site ^.

As I stated before, I didn't know you already made a black one and they are very similar.

[Helter]

the style select block is aready on your site. You just have to turn it on in acp/IM Portal/Blocks Management

and there are alot of differences in your theme and mine. Like I said before, more options are better.

[Frost]

no i was talkin about your template demo option, I havent added one yet lol

And like I said before, it was more of a respect thing seeing as how I used your theme as a base for that one. But if you don't mind I guess ill leave it there lol

[Michaelo]

They are different enough to appeal to different people and you haven't even seen my black theme [flash=,:11z0v8ny]http://www.phpbbireland.com/forum/styles/subSilver/imageset/smilies/rlol.gif[/flash:11z0v8ny]

Don't you just love smilies...