Integramod2 now KisMod!

[Fubie]

As you may have noticed from the domain redirect. Integramod2 is now renamed to KisMod!

The name change is to help differentiate us from Integramod.com and to stop the confusion.

When released(very soon now) 1.41 will now be known as KisMod 1.0 No longer will we call ourselves Integramod. But having said that we will always remember where we came from.

We will be changing the logo's and footers shortly to reflect the new KisMod name.

If you have any questions or concerns please post here.

[IntegraMOD]

Is this why me last few posts that I have just posted have vanished without a trace?

[Helter]

sorry, it is a big db and took a little time to transfer, so for about a 10 minute span the site was in limbo

[Drop-Forged]

Cool Beans!!!

The name change is a good ideaà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ <img>

[Unregistered]

kismod stands for? Keep It Simple Modification? am thinking of makin banners <img>

[Helter]

Yes. When first concieved it was KISS. Mike and I thought it best to drop the the last S. We felt a project with Stupid in the name might not do so well....lol

[Dioncecht]

Yeah, 'stupid' in teh name doesn't usually say alot of good things about the software! hehehe

[Leadfoot]

Well sounds like a decent name. Hell might even get kissed <img>

Keep up the good work.

[Helter]

promises, promises, Leady ....lol

[Dr. Bantham]

I agree that a name change is in order, but KisMod?

Seriously, the last thing I want to do is offend those that work so hard on this project for the benefit of the community, but this new name does not work for me at all. From a marketability perspective, it seems to fall far short of the mark. It sounds cute and fails to instill confidence.

Besides, the past strength of IntegraMOD was the vast amount of modifications which were integrated. The "Keep It Simple" concept is to strip down things to the essentials as a sacrifice for maintaining ease of use and reliability. Though maintaining the latter two concepts is a great idea, it is still important to note that the pre-mod concept is to build upon the phpBB core with collection of feature-laden mods, not strip things down. It is a total contradiction, in my mind.

There is also the fact that it will no doubt lead to confusion with the Kiss Portal project, which was clearly defined as a separate development. Sure, turning mods on and off from the ACP would certainly make the process simple, but it still does not quite fit. Besides, even if the two projects merge it will still be waaay down the line.

Again, I am grateful for all of the hard work, but I can not help but voice my opinion on what I believe to be a poor name choice.

What is in name?

[Solomon]

Name Change
Name Choice

[InterNETionallyKnown]

I agree that a name change is in order, but KisMod?

Seriously, the last thing I want to do is offend those that work so hard on this project for the benefit of the community, but this new name does not work for me at all. From a marketability perspective, it seems to fall far short of the mark. It sounds cute and fails to instill confidence.

Besides, the past strength of IntegraMOD was the vast amount of modifications which were integrated. The "Keep It Simple" concept is to strip down things to the essentials as a sacrifice for maintaining ease of use and reliability. Though maintaining the latter two concepts is a great idea, it is still important to note that the pre-mod concept is to build upon the phpBB core with collection of feature-laden mods, not strip things down. It is a total contradiction, in my mind.

There is also the fact that it will no doubt lead to confusion with the Kiss Portal project, which was clearly defined as a separate development. Sure, turning mods on and off from the ACP would certainly make the process simple, but it still does not quite fit. Besides, even if the two projects merge it will still be waaay down the line.

Again, I am grateful for all of the hard work, but I can not help but voice my opinion on what I believe to be a poor name choice.

What is in name?

I couldn't agree more. Took the words right out of my mouth.

From a marketability standpoint, KisMod sounds like a grade 1 school project. It's one syllable and one letter away from KidMod. In what's going to be groing competition in the next 5 years for projects like phpNuke, vBanced, IntegraMOD and others, you can't have a name that sounds like

kiddieMod..

This is why in companies like the one I work for, devs are a seperate division from marketing, which is not to suggest that devs can't market, but devs are best at developing, not marketing. And it is a well known fact, that often times devs favor ease of code over ease of use, even if easier code doesn't suit the user.

I agree with dr bantam, that the whole concept of this project and why people have flocked here is to have integrated modifications out of the box, not a stripped down version, that they have to wait about a year for only one person who knows the system to develop.

And when you say "Keep It Simple", my question is "keep what simple"?? KISportal actually makes it harder for me in terms of having to wait for and add mods as compared to their being available right out of the box. It's eliminates user error when the mods are already installed.

I do like the concept of being able to detatch mods, but not at the sake of a weak name, and not at the sake of having to wait for something to detatch.

Now of course devs can point the fingers at users and say "you're not being considerate of what it takes to develop", while users can say "you're not being considerate of what it takes to use". where in this case both are right, but the devs stand more to lose if people chose something else.

Thats what drives competition in the free-market. As long as the customer has options, then its up to the provider to satisfy the customer with the options that the customer wants, which is always ease of use. And if the customer says, he doesn't want something called KISMod then you have to go the route of the customer.

At least in this case give it a stronger name. Something with emphasis and which scales into the future, and which gives a lasting impression just by the name.

I had suggested eVolver 1.0, but hold a poll. Let the community name it.

But kissmod, that doesn't sound too strong. It sounds like one of those scripts you see on hot-scripts, that when you click the screen you're taken to a redirect of a site that don't exist anymore. One of those scripts that be way back on page 15 of the search list or the one that don't have a box with it.

When people look at my footer, I want them to see something strong down there. something highpowered, something that sounds commercial, something that sounds like its worth a thousand dollars.

kisKiddieKicktheKittyMOD doesn't have any ring to it. There's no effect in the name.

But awesome project though. I'll give it that. Great work.

[sanji]

Indeed, the name sounds a little... well, childish.

But I guess that now that you have bought a new domain name, you are not going to change the name, are you? So let's start to get used to it...

Another great things is that it might be easier to understand the numbering of the versions. From 1.4.0 to 1.4.1 seems just a small update while obviously many things are changing. by the way, shouldn't you start at 2.0 to follow the phpbb version you are based on, as in a future a 3.0 version is expected?

sanji

[Helter]

we were working on 2.0 which is why Wekke burned the midnight oil to release his version and name it 2.0. Rather than confuse the public with two diferent 2.0 versions, we elected to stick with 141.

If you think about it Integramod was once a silly name. We all accept it because it was here before us. Why? because the developer named it that. IM Portal was not a comunity project. It was Masterdavids project. Out of it was born the community project, IntegraMOD. Kis Portal, is likewise Michealo's project, and It is well known anoung the phpbb dev community. So whatever name we choose, it had to include the core project name. It was never developed to be the root of integramod, but it was superior to IM Portal and has the potential to be the best open source portal money cant buy, so Mike, being a contributing member of this community, graciously stepped in and offered it to us.
If your concerned that the savy technicaly inclined type users will steer clear, your probably right. Most already steer clear of integramod. As far as most of them are concerned, anything premodded is for nubs. dont believe me? ask about us on phpbb.com
The average user starts out looking for something easy to use. That is what brought me to Integramod in the first place.

[Unregistered]

how abt IntegraBB? <img>

[tekguru]

Or ForuMod

[Unregistered]

and very girly too <img>

[Dioncecht]

I rather agree withthe general concensus here. Kismod does sound a little weak and childish. Bantham pretty much said exactly what I was thinking about what the name portrays.

All the members here that currently use IM 1.4.0 will probably continue to use this package no matter what you change the name to. I know I will. Most of us here are loyal because we know the packagae is damn good and solid. We know that the name is only a minor thing that really has no effect on the software as a whole.

But what about users looking for something new? If I saw KisMod in a list of forum packages, I personally would probably skip right over it and not take it seriously. As far as simple, what is simple about it? phpBB is simple... you install it and it works and the whole is a simple laid out forum with only a few bells and whistles.

This has MUCH more to it. 1.4.0 is like a frigging 20oz sirloin steak smothered in A1 sauce, whereas a vanilla phpBB is a little hamburger with no condiments. This has so many features that it is almost intimidating at first. It does nearly everything except give you a backrub at teh end of the day. The only simple I see in it is that you don't have to install all the mods yourself.

I relaize that you bought and paid for the domain, so we may be wasting our time whiming about it, but at least you kinda know where we stand on the user side of the fence.

Heck, if it's not too late to re-consider, someone mentioned a poll, which I think is a very good idea and I still like EvolutionMod (kind of a tribute to how it evolved from IntegraMod and phpBB)... but thats just me.

Just my $.02

[Helter]

the domains cost $30 for 2 years for .com and .net so they are not a deciding factor.

[BMD]

Might I suggest the following names?

SynergyMod
Synergy (the sum being greater than all the parts combined)
Synergy4M

[Leadfoot]

Well being new here I am kinda hesitant to voice my opinion. I am fairly well a little over the rung of nub when it comes to forums. I just started learning all this about 9 months ago. Up until then I was just your average gamer who played and spammed up forums. My first forum was straight old phpbb. Helter tried to help me out and get me to set up an integramod board but I already had the phpbb one set up and didnt want to change over right away. And to that point I am glad i didnt. Starting with just straight old phpbb and learning a bit about that first really made me appreciate the amazing potential and benefits of IM. If I hadnt started out where I did I never would have realized how good it actually was. So first and formost a hats off to the entire IM team. I have to agree it is a little harder to use and get used to but is far far superior. As for the name change I hate to say it but I do have to agree. Kismod seems very innappropriate for the quality of this work. I have thought this from the moment I found out about it. I do think that maybe a rethink of the whole name change and as others have suggested maybe a poll for at least a few ideas from the users. I realize I am new here and dont mean to step on any toes but those are my thoughts.

Keep up the great work guys!!!

Leady!!

[Unregistered]

a poll is the perfect idea..

[Fubie]

Just so eveyone is aware. A name change at this point will set the release back considerably as many changes will need to be made as well as domain considerations.

I actually like KisMod myself. Perhaps because I've allowed it to grow on me.

I personally think Joomla and Nuke are strange names for forum software. But that's just me.

[sanji]

Just so eveyone is aware. A name change at this point will set the release back considerably as many changes will need to be made as well as domain considerations.

Really?

Then I love the new name <img>

sanji

[Solomon]

No offense but the more I hear or see the name KisMod the more it makes me shake my head & laugh. If a good portion of our community thinks it weak, then just think about what the I-MOD haters & sceptics will say and spread about it. IMHO it shouldnt be that way. It should be self-explanatory & strong. I think a poll is the best solution. I also dont think the fact that the domain name integrmod.com has already been registered should deter from changing it. Domain names are cheap.

Domain Name Prices

[url=http]Ipower[/url] --> $6.50/yr
[url=http]GoDaddy[/url] --> $8.95/yr
[url=http]Yahoo Domains[/url] --> $9.95/yr

Just so eveyone is aware. A name change at this point will set the release back considerably as many changes will need to be made as well as domain considerations.

In the long run, its worth it and sooner than later is the time to do it.

[ayasha]

i have thought about this thread alot and i keep coming to one point that was brought up

"The "Keep It Simple" concept is to strip down things to the essentials as a sacrifice for maintaining ease of use and reliability."

i don't see it that way, KISMod does not say this package is stripped down at all, if anything, it is saying that the devs have kept it simple for the average person to use.

i mean, what is more simple that having all the modifications built right in? to be able to upload and install, and have a fully funtional, modded out forum?

[Frost]

Wow, alot of strong opinions on this one.

[gcomfx.com]

Will KisMod help our search engine rankings from all the porn surfers? <img>

Personally, I don't care what it's called. Does sound a little silly, but as stated, most do at first. Who would have thought YAHOO... or GOOGLE.... or whatever else would succeed?

As long as we get a clear change from this mess of having two groups developing I'm all for it. Now release the upgrade and less move on!

[Dioncecht]

A name change at this point will set the release back considerably as many changes will need to be made as well as domain considerations.

In that case.. I LOVE THE NEW NAME!! It's downright PERFECT! Couldn't have thought of a better name.... No more delays!!

[evolver]

I know about how KisMOD sounds at start... lol
But I think everybody is overreacting a little here...

A name will never make a project, but a project can make a name...

Your are talking about popularity, but who doesn't remember KISS being a popular rockband?
I guess the same thoughts were crossing everones mind when that band started.
It wasn't their name that made their success, it was the group that made the name, a name still remembered by many.
And now, their name doesn't sound the same way as when they started...
There have been names that sounded more serious at start, but never made it...

Even Joomla sounds like a childish playground, but noone who takes that project serious enough will see it that way.

The name doesn't make the difference, only the project can make that difference...

For commercial projects, names can be very important:
They can use the attraction of a name to reach their goal more easy, and you all know what their most important goal is all about...

But this project isn't commercial...
We don't have to attract people by using a name.
It's the project itself that will take them here, and in my opinion that's exactly the way it should be.
We are not looking for users, that should never be our goal...
It's the quality of this project that will make people looking for it, and that's the main beauty of it all.

[InterNETionallyKnown]

Good counterpoints on both sides, however I think the strongest point made in this whole thread is the comment that

if "we", the majority of this community don't like the name, then "imagine" how many others who are not a part of this community will not like it either, and by chance skip over it.

Let me tell you how I came to integramod. I came to integramod because I was desperately searching for a portal/cms system. I went on phpbb and made a thread asking if anyone knew of a good portal system for phpbb.

A guy responded and gave me a list of potential candidates. He didn't make any suggestions are tell me which one was the best in his opinion. He just simply responded with a list.

On that list was

MamboPlus
phpNuke
IntegraMOD
and a few others I can't remember off hand. But integramod was the fourth on the list.

One by one I examined the first three on the list. When I got to integramod and came to the site, and examined the package I was hooked eversince.

If I had seen something on the list called "KisMod", believe me when I say, I would have never clicked on the link.

[Helter]

if you clicked on Mambo, you would have clicked on Kis

[Fubie]

if you clicked on Mambo, you would have clicked on Kis

Agreed.

[Vadar]

Personally I don't care if it is Integramod2, KisMod, or WhateverMod, so long as it comes SoonMod! <img>

[thatjoeguy]

Personally I don't care if it is Integramod2, KisMod, or WhateverMod, so long as it comes SoonMod! <img>

Same here! BTW - has this name change pushed back the current release??

[Solomon]

Why not just start a simple feedback poll <img>

Do you like the name KisMod as a successor name for IntegraMOD?
[ ] Yes
[ ] No
[ ] Don't care

If "Yes" wins, then so be it. If "No" wins, then we start a new thread asking for name suggestions.

I dont see any harm in asking for anonymous feedback. Remember, patience is a virtue.

[Flex]

One thing's for sure, as mentioned above... we need it pronto! WITH support <img>

[sanji]

Why not just start a simple feedback poll <img>

Surely the admin and moderators would listen to our ideas. But on the other hand, if we start a poll for every important decision here, we probably will never finish. So let the admin decide for the name...

... even if another name might be better...

sanji

[Fubie]

http://integramod.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2250

[Bobcat]

FuSeMOD........was the first name that struck my mind when I first read about this name change.

Functionality and Security MOD.

But I think KisMOD is fine to.

[computerz]

basically it'll grow on me.. irregardless I'm going to use it...

[Solomon]

basically it'll grow on me.. [url=http]irregardless[/url] I'm going to use it...

regardless*

<img>

[Imajica]

irregardless
SYLLABICATION: irÂÂÂ ·reÂÂÂ ·gardÂÂÂ ·less
PRONUNCIATION: r-gÃÂÂ ¤rdls
ADVERB: Nonstandard Regardless.
ETYMOLOGY: Probably blend of irrespective and regardless.
USAGE NOTE: Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative irà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“ prefix and à¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â€š ¬Ã…“less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so.

now play nice

[Solomon]

[florida4x4]

kismod... heh. enjoy.

[Dr. Bantham]

Your are talking about popularity, but who doesn't remember KISS being a popular rockband?

Alright, this is one bandwagon I will have to jump on!

[size=99px]http://www.ligotti.net/images/kiss.jpg[/flash:gj1wmulj]

Since I have been so serious in my opinion thus far, I had to interject some humor. <img>

[Fubie]

LOL...................... that's a great attitude. and nice banner... <img>

[Frost]

I actually like KisMod myself. Perhaps because I've allowed it to grow on me.

It appears I'm about 50/50 on this discussion and I'll leave it that way.

Well it turns out that Fubie was absolutely right lol
After discussing it so much and seeing the name everywhere and having gone to sleep since then, I am no longer at 50/50 on this. I actually DO like the name, and I have a feeling alot more of this kind of post will be following mine. The way I see it is there really is no other cms or related anything that has something close to the same in name. Also it's kind of catchy once you say it in your head and discuss it so much... kind of rolls of the tongue, it's quick, two sylobols. So in some sense it's already cut-in-half the time of something in this project..."sayin the name" lol

So it's decided for me, I like the name and good job <img>

[Helter]

well, i was playing around with flash "tweens" and I made this as kind of a joke in the admin section, But the more I see it the more I like it ....lol

[web:pbs43qi3]http://integrmod.com/images/etegra.html[/web:pbs43qi3]

[Michaelo]

I love it... can I use it <img>

[Helter]

all yours Mike <img>

[thatjoeguy]

This won't push the release back further, will it? <img>

[tekguru]

Now that name I can live with!

[Dr. Bantham]

integrmod is much more acceptable. I like it. Is this being considered?

[Solomon]

I like integrmod too and http://www.integrmod.com is available. Only problem is, alot of people will goto http://www.etegra.com which is <img> ETegra specializes in providing comprehensive Information Technology (IT) Training and Support, Performance Consulting capabilities as well as Collaborative Security Systems and superior Communications Services that all synthesize into a smoothly integrated operation that will consistently aid in the advancement of your business from one level of production and efficiency to the next level..

[Dioncecht]

wow.. it's got a pretty cool ring to it... Not to mention a killer flash.. nice one Helter.


Just a point of curiosity, what are we waiting for on theelease of 1.4.1? final testing?

[Helter]

so far it looks good for a community vote, but I wanted to hear from a few more of the administrative staff before we put up a vote

as for what were waiting for...Teelk discoverd a few table anomolies which he has probably already fixed. I was having difficulties with a few mod updates for the update script and Teelk has excepted the burden of also finishing that. Fubie and evolver ar working on finishing up the new chmod script and Mike is still breathing heavy from the last few months of intensive coding and bug fixing. The primary goal of this release is to be as bug free as possible and not have to imediatly release patches and bug fixes and hope everyone applies them. Goal #2 and equally as important is a smooth and uneventfull upgrade.

[Dioncecht]

By the way, someone closed a <table> tag somewhere on the Post page so if you hit Post A Reply, it's all jacked up...


Would there be a possibility of a 'pre-release' for those of us like myself who are not upgrading but starting all over again from scratch? Just the install without the upgrade script?

My databases and some of my php files are a mess from installing and removing mods, so I don't need an upgrade script. I need to start from a fresh install and move datbases over, so just the install would work for me. Kinda wish I were just doing an upgrade, it would be ALOT less work!

[godfodder]

HAHAHA

fix that tag man...LMAO...replying isnt kinda scary <img>

Regarding the KisMod name.
I dont care if you named it LeechMeMod.

I would still leech it. You guys have saved me from having to learn yet another scripting language for a couple years now and for that alone you have my sincerest gratitude and loyalty.

<- Not a web developer. Just one of them old SQL gurus that runs loads of forums.

Keep up the great work guys.

Tony Hunt

[thatjoeguy]

By the way, someone closed a <table> tag somewhere on the Post page so if you hit Post A Reply, it's all jacked up...

Doing that when you hit QUOTE, too.

Would there be a possibility of a 'pre-release' for those of us like myself who are not upgrading but starting all over again from scratch? Just the install without the upgrade script?

I'd really like this as well, as I'm converting over from Nuke...

[Rixn]

Maybe this image can be useful?

[flash=,:33wnxd2g]http://www.dagame.nu/Test/KisMod.gif[/flash:33wnxd2g]

[Michaelo]

Nice one Lars... What do you think H? <img>

[Solomon]

Simple? Can someone give me an example of some CMS software that is considered not-so simple?

[evolver]

By the way, someone closed a <table> tag somewhere on the Post page so if you hit Post A Reply, it's all jacked up...

It's because of the [web]-bbcode...
This can solve it:
http://integramod.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=13783#13783
It's my solution for a flexible webtag, but here is how to fix it without flexible webtag for the posting-display only:

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##-----[ OPEN ]------------------------------------------#  includes/topic_review.php  ##-----[ FIND ]------------------------------------------#            $bbcode_uid = $row['bbcode_uid'];  ##-----[ AFTER, ADD ]------------------------------------------#            $message = preg_replace("#[web]#si", '[align=center:'.$bbcode_uid.'][size=99px]( ', $message);          $message = preg_replace("#[/web:$bbcode_uid]#si", ' )[/size][/align:'.$bbcode_uid.']', $message);  ##-----[ SAVE/CLOSE/UPLOAD ALL FILES ]------------------------------------------## EoM

Webtags are Iframes
Topic Review is also an Iframe
An Iframe within an Iframe can cause this kind of trouble...

[evolver]

Keep It Simple MODification

Simple? Can someone give me an example of some CMS software that is considered not-so simple?

Then maybe better:
Keep it simple MODified ?

or maybe even better:
Keep it simply MODified ?

Because that's what it's about...
It is simple, because modifications have already been done for you.

Or maybe GISMOD ...lol <img>
Get It Simply MODified

[Solomon]

Simple until the next hacking spree.

Simple until you want to install custom mods.

Simple until the next phpBB update and you cant use the pre-modded files because you have custom mods installed.

Keep it Stock Modified or its not going to be Keep it Simply Modified anymore.

I dunno, maybe I am just a noob <img> but I dont find all this stuff that simple all the time.

[Helter]

By the way, someone closed a <table> tag somewhere on the Post page so if you hit Post A Reply, it's all jacked up...

Doing that when you hit QUOTE, too.

Would there be a possibility of a 'pre-release' for those of us like myself who are not upgrading but starting all over again from scratch? Just the install without the upgrade script?

I'd really like this as well, as I'm converting over from Nuke...

it is not a missing tag, it is a bug in the [web] bbcode display. evolver has already added the fix to the .svn. I just havent added it here yet

[Fubie]

Simple until the next hacking spree.

Simple until you want to install custom mods.

Simple until the next phpBB update and you cant use the pre-modded files because you have custom mods installed.

Keep it Stock Modified or its not going to be Keep it Simply Modified anymore.

I dunno, maybe I am just a noob <img> but I dont find all this stuff that simple all the time.

Thanks for the optimism.

[Michaelo]

What I mean by simple, this should provide some clarification... [url=http]It can be simple[/url]

AND

The 'Keep It Simple' MOD method which allows for editing of the core files (php or theme htm) while allowing updates to go smoothly (fairly smoothly) is... (taken from another post)

Ideas for the future... phpBB3 and New Portal

How can I add code to the core without affecting the core?

Simpleà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ examine the following php codeà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦

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 ÃƒÆ’ ¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦  if ( mod_installed(mod_name) ){     this section will contain the original code with mod edits}else{     à¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦     this section will contain the original code no edits     à¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦}à¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦  

No need for the usual line of explanation hereà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ its really simpleà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦


Ah! But I have edited the core here! Not reallyà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ you have added to it without affecting it. If you run an update script on this file such as SVN update your code will remain and only the original code will be updatedà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ If you need to update the file itself use something like winmerge to do the edits...


In a html file
Simpleà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ examine the following html codeà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦

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 <IF>     code plus your mod edits<ELSE>     code without your mod edits i.e. original code untouched <ENDIF>  

No need for the usual line of explanation hereà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ its really simpleà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦


This is only for mods that must edit the core... The majority of well written mods will not require core editing... (I hope)

A real example... Actual edit to the index.php using kiss portal (kismod). Note this is the only edit to the file...

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 define ('KISS_INSTALLED', true);define('IN_PHPBB', true);$phpbb_root_path = './';$phpEx = substr(strrchr(__FILE__, '.'), 1);include($phpbb_root_path . 'common.' . $phpEx);include($phpbb_root_path . 'includes/functions_display.' . $phpEx);  if(KISS_INSTALLED)     include_once($phpbb_root_path . 'includes/blocks_main.' . $phpEx);    

Mike

[Solomon]

Simple until the next hacking spree.

Simple until you want to install custom mods.

Simple until the next phpBB update and you cant use the pre-modded files because you have custom mods installed.

Keep it Stock Modified or its not going to be Keep it Simply Modified anymore.

I dunno, maybe I am just a noob

What I mean by simple, this should provide some clarification... [url=http]It can be simple[/url]

AND

The 'Keep It Simple' MOD method which allows for editing of the core files (php or theme htm) while allowing updates to go smoothly (fairly smoothly) is... (taken from another post)

Ideas for the future... phpBB3 and New Portal

How can I add code to the core without affecting the core?

Simpleà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ examine the following php codeà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦

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 ÃƒÆ’ ¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦  if ( mod_installed(mod_name) ){     this section will contain the original code with mod edits}else{     à¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦     this section will contain the original code no edits     à¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦}à¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦  

No need for the usual line of explanation hereà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ its really simpleà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦


Ah! But I have edited the core here! Not reallyà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ you have added to it without affecting it. If you run an update script on this file such as SVN update your code will remain and only the original code will be updatedà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ If you need to update the file itself use something like winmerge to do the edits...


In a html file
Simpleà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ examine the following html codeà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦

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 <!-- IF module_name -->     code plus your mod edits<!-- ELSE -->     code without your mod edits i.e. original code untouched <!-- ENDIF -->  

No need for the usual line of explanation hereà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ its really simpleà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦


This is only for mods that must edit the core... The majority of well written mods will not require core editing... (I hope)

A real example... Actual edit to the index.php using kiss portal (kismod). Note this is the only edit to the file...

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 define ('KISS_INSTALLED', true);define('IN_PHPBB', true);$phpbb_root_path = './';$phpEx = substr(strrchr(__FILE__, '.'), 1);include($phpbb_root_path . 'common.' . $phpEx);include($phpbb_root_path . 'includes/functions_display.' . $phpEx);  if(KISS_INSTALLED)     include_once($phpbb_root_path . 'includes/blocks_main.' . $phpEx);    

Mike

I appreciate the time you spent explaining this to me. <img>

[found it]

The name is fine ..the product is fantastic...

enough said....

[Solomon]

enough said....

Almost, one last thing

...and if the name KisMod is final, then I think Rixn's logo would be superb for this project.

[Michaelo]

Once we have finished 1.4.1 and released it as RC1/Final we will look into releasing a beta of KisMod, of course this will be to Beta Testers... for use only on a test site...

It will be quite a while before KisMod is a functional as IntegraMod 1.4.1...

Mike

[Drop-Forged]

Ok, so the release weve all been waiting for is going to be called Integramod version 141??? <img>

[Michaelo]

Different people are waiting on different things... Several providers are updating to php5 forcing people to update to IntegraMod 1.4.1, other require security fixes, updates and bug fixes these are waiting for IntegraMod 1.4.1

Because of the confusion involved in the renaming of our version of IntegraMod people are confused as I am... To my knowledge the code name will be e-Tegra.. Lets wait and see <img>

Some confusion re KisMod must be cleared up at this point... KisMod is the code name for the next release of IntegraMod powered by phpBB3 and the Kiss Portal...

[Driver 7]

Damn man. I switch forum software and everything goes crazy over here. I just want to say kis sounds cool. I am use to the name by know from visiting Michaelo's other site.

However: As winner of the last logo contest. Being that I am going to be stipped of my prize. Can I request another logo contest. <img>

Doing it again would be a blast.

[Michaelo]

[flash=,:2e0u90e6]http://www.phpbbireland.com/forum/files/kissmod_a.gif[/flash:2e0u90e6]

[Dioncecht]

Some confusion re KisMod must be cleared up at this point... KisMod is the code name for the next release of IntegraMod powered by phpBB3 and the Kiss Portal...

Whoa.. Clear up confusion? You just confused me even more! I thought KisMod was the name for 1.4.1 release powered by phpBB2? I think I missed something...

[Drop-Forged]

Yes this whole thing has completely confused allot of usà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦


What ever happened to keeping things simple... <img>

[evolver]

1. The update we are waiting for is going to be called Integramod version 141 even though this site is KisMod and Wekke has nothing to do with the upgrade.

...Ok if Im correct, I think I got that, but what is E-tegra then???

I think what Michaelo was trying to say is that this site changed name to be prepared for the future version AFTER the release of 1.4.1.
There is still discussion going on about the name of 1.4.1.
For less confusion it would be better to name it something more like Integra instead of KIS.
Therefore Michaelo thinks E-tegra makes a good chance...

KISS PORTAL is a future version where Michaelo is still working on...
KisMod is the codename for that project...
It has nothing to do with IntegraMOD, because it is based on phpbb3 (not on phpbb2 like IntegraMOD) and therefore it will go under a completely different name.
pphpbb3 is so much different than phpbb2, it can't be compared...
KISS PORTAL will only look like IntegraMOD by it's possibilities, but with a completely different code it will not work by the same methods...

The original idea was to name the new 1.4.1 KisMOD to prepare the road for KISSPORTAL...
But that could cause confusion, because 1.4.1 has nothing to do with phpbb3 nor the KIS PORTAL project...
1.4.1 is still Integra, and might still need a name according to that...

Even with the sitename changed, 1.4.1. can still be released with an Integramod-like name,
the sitename would then only be a step ahead in time for the future after the 1.4.1. version...

2. Version 141 is going to be the last version of this really great portal system, because you guys going to start KisMod that will be phpBB3 based and Wekke, well I havent figured out where his new portal system is going yet.

Wekke's own new portal was still based on phpbb2, but with the newest CH version it can not even be compared with phpbb anymore...
He even has to create his own MOD's because phpbb mod's won't be compatible with his version anymore...
He must be very talented, it needs skill to be able to do so...
There are no compatible MOD's for users to add by themselves available for his version...
I would not even call it integramod, because most needs to be built for it instead of integrated...
I would rather call it BuildMOD. [/quote]
There will be confusion untill a decision has been made...
And even more confusion when a decision needs reconsideration...
Only a new decision can clear things up... <img>

[Solomon]

Stability!

Just as I thought a bunch of answers & concerns were addressed and I could sit back and wait for the next installment of this fine software I am now faced with even more concerns & questions. <img>

[Helter]

KisMod was to be the new name of the site and to prepare the way for The next version of our CMS, while still supporting and developing our current version 141. Due to the complaints and the fact that only 4 or 5 of ust took part in the renaming discusion, I threw out the name [sup:3ricsz8u]e-[/sup:3ricsz8u]tegra, and it seemed to get a positive reponse. It was never considered befor that, but now we have been discussing whether we should change our url from KisMod, to [sup:3ricsz8u]e-[/sup:3ricsz8u]tegra. That is as simple as I can explain it. I understand that it has been confusing for all but hopefully it will be cleared up soon.

and yes I did grab integrmod.com and .net ....just in case

[Solomon]

and yes I did grab integrmod.com and .net ....just in case

<img>

[Dioncecht]

soooo... basically, as someone pointed out 2 weeks ago, since the name is changing from KisMod, 1.4.1 is going to be pushed back a significant amount of time anyways?

I thought that whole poll was overwhelmingly pointing to keep the name and release 1.4.1. I don't mean to sound like I'm whining or moaning, I'm just trying to understand where everything stands, especially the release of 1.4.1, because I, like many others here I'm sure, have basically put doing anything on my site on hold 'till the new version. That includes fixing things that break, which has been increasing due mostly to the mods I had installed and tried to uninstall.

So basically...

1. KisMod is the codename for the development of the phpBB3 version
2. 1.4.1 remains nameless, but e-Tegra is a strong candidate
3. 1.4.1 will take some time to be released as no name has been decided and once a name is decided, a whole mess of changes need to occur in the code

Is that about right?

[Dioncecht]

by the way, I know the tone in my last reply comes across as pissy, please dont take it that way. I'm just trying to get a clear perspective in my head oh where everything stands.

I appreciate and respect all the work you guys are putting into this! Believe me, if I was really as frustrated as I come across sometimes, I would have switched to something else. I have no plans on switching to anything else except 1.4.1

[ayasha]

i think when IM 141 is released, it should go by the name of integrmod, and all the support for IM, all versions should be moved to that domain.

integrmod.com should be kept for Michaelo development of the kissportal with phpbb3.

just seems the simplest to me,

when you want support for IM, you go to integrmod.com

when you want to see how the kisportal and phpbb3 is coming along, go to integrmod.com (or Michaelo's site if he does not move his stuff to integrmod.com)

[Leadfoot]

Ya gotta agree with cleo there. It seems alot of confusion is being caused by sheer misunderstanding. I think I just finally got it all straight myself. Great job on snatchin up the domain names Helter now lets put them to use!!

[Dr. Bantham]

i think when IM 141 is released, it should go by the name of integrmod, and all the support for IM, all versions should be moved to that domain.

integrmod.com should be kept for Michaelo development of the kissportal with phpbb3.

just seems the simplest to me,

when you want support for IM, you go to integrmod.com

when you want to see how the kisportal and phpbb3 is coming along, go to integrmod.com (or Michaelo's site if he does not move his stuff to integrmod.com)

I am in total agreement here.

Why is there an additional delay related to the name change, however? The once the domain has resolved and the redirect is set, only the code changes remain, correct? I searched through my entire IM installation and found 794 entries of "IntegraMOD". It appeared that most were either domain links or comment related. Unless "IntegraMOD" was used as a variable or database element, one should be able to change the entire file structure en-masse. Dreamweaver allows you to Find/Replace entire directories and subdirectories in one action. I assume many of the high end text editors allow similar functionality. Maybe there is something obvious which I am missing. In that case I am curious to know.

[Michaelo]

There will be no delay relating to the name change... It takes two minutes to find and replace every instance of IntegraMod with integrmod in the entire project...

Mike

[Imajica]

ok I'll give you two minutes <img>

[Imajica]

times up
<img>

LMAO

I crack me up

[Michaelo]

I didn't mention how long it will take to update the database here... <img>

[Imajica]

I'm just playing Michaelo <img>

I saw an opening for a bad bad joke and couldn't resist

[ZacFields]

My only problem with the name KisMod is just the femininity of the name itself. Being a business finance major, I may even understand the meaning of KIS more than anyone as (at least in America) it is a core value in any Micro or Macro Economics course when it comes to describing things about economics. I feel that KIS doesn't really describe a modded PHP board though, as anyone who has been to the admin panel and been looking for something in particular would say it is anything but simple. IntegraMod has always taken some expertise to be able to fully understand all of its' capabilities (which is NOT a bad thing at all). Honestly I feel excited when I set up a friend of mine an IntegraMod website and I have to include my pre-made Microsoft Word file with instructions on what each button in the admin panel does. Sometimes simplicity is overrated

Zac

[ayasha]

i think one thing people need to keep focused on here, is we need to decide on a name for our verson of Integramod to keep the confusion down. I have been helping a friend fix errors on his IM2 forum, because we did use IM2 at one time, only to find out yesterday, that even though he was positively sure he was using what we support here on this forum, he was in fact using Weeke's IM2, so needless to say, all the edits i did of the files he sent me, simply broke his forum.

so yes, it is important that we get a name change decision made.

the devs are working on getting the upgrade completed, the upgrade script done, and testing it, so discussion while that is going on is nothing to worry about. as Michaelo said, it will not take all that long to find and replace all instances that they would need to be replaced.

i do not believe the release is being held up for the name, but the release will come when the Devs have been satisfied that it is a stable release with a stable upgrade path and not before, whether a name decision has been made or not.

[Michaelo]

Imajica... I got ità¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦ I was just looking for loopholes! <img>

There is no delay in the release of 1.4.1; it is currently undergoing beta testing. If you allow for the fact that we are endeavouring to provide a stable upgrade path for all versions of IntegraMOD you can/should appreciate the work involved.

The renaming of 1.4.1 is not an issueà¢Ãƒ ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ ¦

The IntegraMod name will no longer be used for any further versions. The new name is being debated and as yet no decision has been made. The next version based on phpBB3 will use the Kiss Portal however; the portal name is also up for debate at my site.

Mike

[Unregistered]

I seriously dont care abt the name change . And how soon is very soon? Days, Weeks, MOnths or Years?

what matters is the system remain the same and the admin/mods crew are same.. even though its renamed.. it wil take least 6 month or less to spread the words regarding the name change.. also my site wont effect from the name change. so basically the name change doesnt matter as long as the system is good and relaible.

we (users) are wasting time debating abt the name change here..

[Solomon]

I seriously dont care abt the name change . And how soon is very soon? Days, Weeks, MOnths or Years?

what matters is the system remain the same and the admin/mods crew are same.. even though its renamed.. it wil take least 6 month or less to spread the words regarding the name change.. also my site wont effect from the name change. so basically the name change doesnt matter as long as the system is good and relaible.

we (users) are wasting time debating abt the name change here..

Are you talking about IntegraMOD 1.4.1 (based on phpBB2) or KissPortal also known tenatively as KisMod (based on phpBB3)?

Its really no longer a name debate holding things up. We are all waiting for the public release of 1.4.1 which does not have a name yet. Its been said that it wont be called IntegraMOD, but possibly will be called integrmod. There is NO name chosen as of yet for IM 1.4.1. Someone should edit the subject so it does not say "Integramod2 now KisMod!" as IM 1.4.1 is not going to be called KisMod. Its confusing because IM 1.4.1 is using the integrmod.com domain name, which I think should be reverted back to Integramod2.com until IM 1.4.1 is ready with a new domain name. integrmod.com according to information on pages 6 & 7 is suppose to be for the phpBB3 based Kiss Portal project, totally different from IM 1.4.1. Confused? Dont worry we all are. Whats next then? Just wait for IM 1.4.1 to go public with its new name & domain name.

[computerz]

The next release is 1.4.1 Thats what everyone should be focusing on anyway. KISMod is a long way down the line before it becomes a stable release, so regardless of what it's called, what it's features are, etc, we should all be concerned about 1.4.1 for now.

In other words, well before anyone runs kismod in production, much will need to be done for at least a year or two in regards to support and modifications for 1.4.1 not to mention any possible phpbb2 updates and mod updates.

Secondly, although the subject of this thread is about the Kismod domain, it still draws attention nonetheless to the KISMod release, which as explained above is neither here nor there for now.

I think too much talk is going into kismod, when it is not even near stable yet. Let's all focus on what is coming up now, and leave the kismod stuff for when that comes into play 2 years from now.

[Dioncecht]

Yeah, what he ^ said...