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[dan0042]

Your phpBB Version: 2.0.
phpBB Type: Integramod 141
MODs: No
Your knowledge: Professional
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why is imod 141 so slow ,?
U did say was goin be fast

[Frost]

E-Tegra 141 flies on my server...

[Page generation time: 0.2874s (PHP: 91% | SQL: 9%) | SQL queries: 39 | GZIP enabled | Debug on]

And that's with no cache..

[dan0042]

[Page generation time: 1.0499s (PHP: 94% | SQL: 6%) | SQL queries: 28 | GZIP disabled | Debug on]

[Dioncecht]

[Page generation time: 2.0383s (PHP: 91% | SQL: 9%) | SQL queries: 64 | GZIP disabled | Debug on]

Thats about the average on my site now

[dan0042]

[Page generation time: 3.2087s (PHP: 96% | SQL: 4%) | SQL queries: 41 | GZIP disabled | Debug on]

My Old 140 fast This 141 Is NOT

[Dioncecht]

It does seem a bit slower, but it also seems more stable. with 1.4.0 I would get 'Page Cannot Be Displayed' at random times after taking forever to load a page.. Now I haven't gotten a single one. I think overall it seems a bit more stable. I'll give up 1 second on page loads for more stability and bugs fixed.

That being said, I haven't really noticed any significant variation in page load times related to teh numbers of users logged on. I can have google signed on running 30 bots and I get roughly the same page load times as I do when only I am logged in.

[Teelk]

Hey dan0042,

Try clearing the eXtreme Styles cache for all themes and then compile them all again. There may be some left over cache from before your update, assuming this is an update and not a fresh install. Also ensure that you enable GZIP in ACP>General Admin>Configuration.

[Dr. Bantham]

I am experiencing a difference in page generation of 2-3 times as long as my 1.4.0 installation.

Sample from 1.4.0 (Root Directory)
[Page generation time: 0.7684s (PHP: 83% | SQL: 17%) | SQL queries: 36 | GZIP enabled | Debug on]

Sample from 1.4.1 (Subdirectory)
[Page generation time: 2.0874s (PHP: 86% | SQL: 14%) | SQL queries: 60 | GZIP enabled | Debug on]

I have resolved a permission issue, though this did little to improve the speed. The IM 1.4.0 install typically runs in the 0.5 - 1.0 second range. My test upgrade to 1.4.1 is resulting in 1.5 - 2.5 page generation times, and this is with me being the sole user active within the upgraded installation directory. All caches have been cleared and re-compiled with no improvement.

Since everyone is going to have variables for server speeds and database sizes, it seems to me that the only reasonable comparison to review would be an active 1.4.0 install and an upgraded version using the same database after coping and upgrading. Fresh installs with little or no forum activity are not necessarily indicative of real-world performance. Can anyone else make this comparison so that I/we can either determine that I have a problem in my upgrade which is slowing the page gens down or if IM 1.4.1 really is that much slower?

[ZacFields]

I can say with full confidence that my page generation times didn't get slower.

[Page generation time: 1.5461s (PHP: 70% | SQL: 30%) | SQL queries: 52 | GZIP enabled | Debug on]

That's with 8 users online. Under 3 seconds for page-load is actually pretty good considering the amount of queries you're running.

Those of you getting really high page load times, go into your admin panel and check the IP's of all the guests on the site. If you see a few IP's that look very similar, look them up because you might be being hit by bots which can severely slow down your site.

This has been the cause of my site's slowness in almost 100% of cases.

Check this topic for a good robots.txt file that might help a lot of you.

http://www.integramod.com/forum/viewtop ... 0495#20495

Zac

[Dr. Bantham]

Those of you getting really high page load times, go into your admin panel and check the IP's of all the guests on the site. If you see a few IP's that look very similar, look them up because you might be being hit by bots which can severely slow down your site.

This has been the cause of my site's slowness in almost 100% of cases.

Check this topic for a good robots.txt file that might help a lot of you.

http://www.integramod.com/forum/viewtop ... 0495#20495

Zac

I have robots.txt active in both instances. Additionally, since I am running the upgrade in a subdirectory I have no activity other than myself when testing. This would favor the upgrade for a faster potential, but alas...

[Frost]

I noticed that alot of you with high load times have considerably larger queries than I myself and a few of the other's who aren't noticing slowness. The more queries you have, the longer it's going to take to load. I think stock 141 has between 35 - 39 queries. If you need a faster site then be careful what you add to it. Or you can remove unwanted mods that add to your queries and see if that helps. And as Teelk said, always enable GZIP

[Helter]

this site has most mods active and is one of at least 30 sites on this server. With 8 users and 12 guests, our page load time is

[Page generation time: 0.777s (PHP: 81% | SQL: 19%) | SQL queries: 45 | GZIP enabled | Debug on]

[Daymorn]

[Page generation time: 4.3283s (PHP: 74% | SQL: 26%) | SQL queries: 66 | GZIP enabled | Debug on]

my load times for this and the old and regular phpbb board have always been slow. the stats posted above can be on the fast end some days.
Any ideas? My host is Network Solutions

[Frost]

A lot of it probably has something to do with your host or server. The host that I have now has a huge server and I'm like one of 10 people on it, I get unlimited everything and don't pay a dime

[Dr. Bantham]

I am experiencing a difference in page generation of 2-3 times as long as my 1.4.0 installation.

Sample from 1.4.0 (Root Directory)
[Page generation time: 0.7684s (PHP: 83% | SQL: 17%) | SQL queries: 36 | GZIP enabled | Debug on]

Sample from 1.4.1 (Subdirectory)
[Page generation time: 2.0874s (PHP: 86% | SQL: 14%) | SQL queries: 60 | GZIP enabled | Debug on]

I have resolved a permission issue, though this did little to improve the speed. The IM 1.4.0 install typically runs in the 0.5 - 1.0 second range. My test upgrade to 1.4.1 is resulting in 1.5 - 2.5 page generation times, and this is with me being the sole user active within the upgraded installation directory. All caches have been cleared and re-compiled with no improvement.

Since everyone is going to have variables for server speeds and database sizes, it seems to me that the only reasonable comparison to review would be an active 1.4.0 install and an upgraded version using the same database after coping and upgrading. Fresh installs with little or no forum activity are not necessarily indicative of real-world performance. Can anyone else make this comparison so that I/we can either determine that I have a problem in my upgrade which is slowing the page gens down or if IM 1.4.1 really is that much slower?

Am I the only user experiencing a dramatic slowdown difference between an existing 1.4.0 installation and an upgraded version of the same database to 1.4.1? If so, perhaps I have a problem with my upgrade. I am hesitant to upgrade my live board if I am going to increase the page load times 2-3 fold what they are now.

[tekguru]

Nope its not just you I'm seeing loading times on the test 1.41 system at least twice that on the of 1.40 live system.

[Helter]

im getting around a 3sec load time on your site tec. Considering that every page is full of animated gifs, from banner adds to sigatures, its about what I would expect. It is also looking for images that are not there. Check the dl because they are there. They just didnt make it to your forum. FTP is suspect I think. I just checked the DL and they were there. I did however change a few up-ported images, such as the skype button

[tekguru]

Cheers I'll redownload and re-ftp over <img>

[tekguru]

This is weird - I've redownloaded the theme and ftp'ed again and no images were reported as missing.

I did replace the Skype button though with one done by my Admim team, as far as I can see all the images are loading as can be seen in:

http://www.4winmobile.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=49324

No personal gallery icon though, so it that actually missing?

[Helter]

it is there. Try reuploading BBLite.cfg and deleting the theme cache in eXtreme styles. Also go to acp/IM Portal/Delete Cache Files

[tekguru]

Yep, that has helped a lot.

[Dr. Bantham]

I am still getting load times 2-3 longer with my upgraded 1.4.1 installation, even when I use the lo-fi version of the stock style. Can someone else confirm? Any ideas?

Sample from 1.4.0 (Root Directory)
[Page generation time: 0.7684s (PHP: 83% | SQL: 17%) | SQL queries: 36 | GZIP enabled | Debug on]
[url=http]Link to 1.4.0 Live Installation[/url]

Sample from 1.4.1 (Subdirectory)
[Page generation time: 2.0874s (PHP: 86% | SQL: 14%) | SQL queries: 60 | GZIP enabled | Debug on]
[url=http]Link to 1.4.1 Upgraded Installation[/url]

Since I have had page load time complaints from members in the past (not everyone has broadband, after all), I have deep reservations about upgrading my live board and incurring this burden.

[Teelk]

I've checked out both versions of your site and honestly see no speed difference despite the information on the bottom of the page. I'm on dialup, so the difference should be obvious to me and it's not.

I will say though that your site isn't slow, but seems to load the entire thing first and then display it, which might be why you're getting complaints. Here, for instance, the page will load the structure of the site almost instantly and then fill it in with images etc., and when the images are cached then everything displays almost instantly, even on dialup. On your site I'm getting the header, and then getting a few second of nothing, and then everything all at once, which give the illusion of a slow page, even when the images are cached.

I'm getting load times of about .9 seconds on your 1.4.0 install, and load times of about 1.9 seconds on your 1.4.1 install. But, it's actually taking longer then that to get the whole page to display. Which leads me to believe that this is something other then SQL, since that's what the information on the bottom of the page is designed to test.

Since this doesn't happen here, and doesn't seem to happen to everyone. I would assume that it is actually a template issue. Do you have any MODs that may be using extra java.script or anything else you can think that might be causing this issue?

[Dr. Bantham]

Since this doesn't happen here, and doesn't seem to happen to everyone. I would assume that it is actually a template issue. Do you have any MODs that may be using extra java.script or anything else you can think that might be causing this issue?

Thanks for having a look, Teelk. My custom templates do use a java.script menu. However, I get the same result when using an unmodified stock template, even in Lo-Fi mode. Results are also consistent with the forum only view, which in my setup does not use forum-wide blocks (I use three column setup for the portal, with no side blocks outside the main portal).

[Helter]

one possibility for this may be your .css. If your images are mostly .css classes, the first page load can be much longer and it will not display anything until the .css is loaded. The second time you view the page, it should be much faster as long as your browser has caching for the site enabled.

also, is the scroll speed set the same on both sites? I notice the 141 site scrolls much slower.
Im on an 8mbt connection and my page views are the same as teelks

[Dr. Bantham]

one possibility for this may be your .css. If your images are mostly .css classes, the first page load can be much longer and it will not display anything until the .css is loaded. The second time you view the page, it should be much faster as long as your browser has caching for the site enabled.

Using the stock Integra2 style and even Lo-Fi makes little to no difference, therefore the main problem is not likely here, right?

also, is the scroll speed set the same on both sites? I notice the 141 site scrolls much slower.
Im on an 8mbt connection and my page views are the same as teelks

The scrolls were tweaked recently on the live site.

[Daymorn]

I was wondering if you guys could take a visit to my site and just glance at the page generation times. I've called my host (Network Solutions) asking to look into my servers load times but I haven't heard back from them.

My site isn't horribly slow, but I consider it slow on all broadband connections i've used, when compared to others

http://www.theblacktower.net

I just put the 141 site up and i have barely changed anything on it.

Also: I have a banner link the I set up throught the ACP and it always says:
If you page does not show shortly, please click Here to go to the requested URL
What do I need to do to fix that?

[tekguru]

Ouch, 16 seconds to generate from here in the UK over an 8Mb DSL link.

[Teelk]

I was wondering if you guys could take a visit to my site and just glance at the page generation times. I've called my host (Network Solutions) asking to look into my servers load times but I haven't heard back from them.

My site isn't horribly slow, but I consider it slow on all broadband connections i've used, when compared to others

http://www.theblacktower.net

I just put the 141 site up and i have barely changed anything on it.

Also: I have a banner link the I set up throught the ACP and it always says:
If you page does not show shortly, please click Here to go to the requested URL
What do I need to do to fix that?

I'm starting not to trust the load time generator... Daymorn, your site is blazingly fast, did you do something to fix your speed issue? Your pages load instantly for me and I'm on dialup... but, the page generation time is anywhere from .5 to 2 seconds.

For the redirect issue replace template/yourtheme/redirect.tpl with the following code. Yup, replace the whole thing.

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<HEAD><META></HEAD><BODY><SCRIPT> setTimeout("document.all['jumplink'].click();",100); </SCRIPT> </BODY>

[rpadilla]

I am getting horrible times, sometimes over 10 secs. Here's my fastest one:

[Page generation time: 3.7487s (PHP: 19% | SQL: 81%) | SQL queries: 68 | GZIP enabled | Debug on]

Any ideas? This is a fresh install of 1.4.1, here's the url: http://www.littleelmforums.com

[Daymorn]

Your pages load instantly for me and I'm on dialup... but, the page generation time is anywhere from .5 to 2 seconds.

lol, I envy you horribly then. But like i said, load times are not horribly slow for me - they are just well below par for what I expect from a company that I am paying for a service <img>
Network Solutions techs contacted me today and said that they optimized my tables and (I think) admitted to slacking on the regular maintenance.
Sure enough, my generation times went down a bit and i've noticed a slight increase in load times.

Overall, i'm just not impressed with the speed I'm getting despite the fact that I'm only 40 miles from the physical server.
- basically it's time to kill my local cable company

Thanks for the banner link help!

[Daymorn]

I am getting horrible times, sometimes over 10 secs. Here's my fastest one:

[Page generation time: 3.7487s (PHP: 19% | SQL: 81%) | SQL queries: 68 | GZIP enabled | Debug on]

Any ideas? This is a fresh install of 1.4.1, here's the url: http://www.littleelmforums.com

I visited and experienced 3-10 second generation times. As far as real, me staring at the screen, load times goes I was getting fast to slow. Every load was different for me, but thats the same as my own site

[rpadilla]

One thing I noticed is how my SQL % has increased...

[Leadfoot]

Well I just went and checked out my live 141 forum and my dormant 140. They are almost identical and are generating at about the same speeds.

[Teelk]

rpadilla, after the initial caching of the images, your page load times were almost instant for me as well. Don't be fooled by the page generation time in the footer. I suspect that there's an issue with it.

I wonder why I'm getting better load times then some of you high-speeders. It's very confusing to say the least, but I haven't really seen any performance issues on any of the sites provided yet... <img>

[rpadilla]

Thanks for checking! Actually users are not complaining that much about it, now the issue is the emailer.php error after posting.

Thanks again!

[Teelk]

For the emailer problem... there's a problem somewhere with the php mail function on your server. The easiest solution is to use ftp instead, get your ftp set up and then fill out the ftp info in ACP>General Admin>Configuration.

[tekguru]

Ref the slow speed my users were complaining of the pages taking up to 16 seconds to load of site today. I had taken the afternoon off work so checked out the server and found the following:

[flash=,:2hez3lw3]http://www.4winmobile.com/news/hicpu.png[/flash:2hez3lw3]

So it looks like GZIP processes are slowing me down as well as the display_toggle.js .script file.

For the moment I've turned off GZIP and the site has speeded up due to server load decreasing.

I'd be interested to know what the display_toggle .script file does though and whether it is needed?

It would be interesting if other could check their server stats to see if anyone else is suffering similar loads with similar causes!

[Teelk]

I was just reading up on gzip and server load actually. It seems that gzip is heavy on the cpu, but it usually isn't an issue, or so I read. Usually memory that is the issue, but turning of gzip if there's a heavy cpu load is a good idea for future speed issues. Thanks for bringing it up tekguru.

toggle_display.js is used by the calendar in some sort of show/hide capacity. Try opening up toggle_display.js and deleting all but the hdr_toggle function, as it's the only one used. If that doesn't help, try removing it's line temporarily from overall_headr.tpl and see what functionality you still have.

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<script></script>

It doesn't look too intensive to me, so I don't know why it would be using much cpu power.

[tekguru]

Not a problem Teelk glad to discover it. We do not use the calendar so I've deleted the .script file and the call to the calendar from the template so that has helped.

[ayasha]

what does the GZIP do? this is my average load time

[Page generation time: 1.0599s (PHP: 90% | SQL: 10%) | SQL queries: 86 | GZIP enabled | Debug on]

would it benefit me to disable GZIP?

[tekguru]

It only helps for reducing server loading IMHO if your times are that low Cleo I'd not worry - mine started at about 6 seconds and I'm now down to about 1.7 through various changes I've made.

I still wish it loaded as quickly as your site though.

Guys does the amount of messages online on the forum have an effect on loading times?

[Daymorn]

I've been looking into my site alot more recently and comparing to some others.

I've basically discovered that Network Solutions gimps you on the sql side of things. Every other aspect of their service is fine, or even good, but everything sql related is slow as hell. Even when just connecting to the database over mysql and viewing the tables it is slow as hell.

Is there a list of things I could possibly, and easily, disable on the integramod forums that are heavy on sql in order to speed things up? If so, what are they and how do i go about doing it?